Re: Theos-World Checked by the Master
Jan 31, 2005 10:07 AM
by M. Sufilight
Hallo Cass,
If I understand your question correctly - the answer is, -
Yes.
I know, that it would happen if the Master saw it to be proper.
They do teach chelas through the astral and manas levels. Seldom through the
astral alone. Even beginners might be inspired deliberately. And if the
inspiration sprouts in the beginners mind then the Master has succeded as
far as the Master is concerned. And all Masters are closely connected -
although the universe is wast, so some worlds of Masters are "more
connected" than others. This is what I claim to know about, although I
cannot prove it.
One thing is knowledge another is a day to day experience of what you know.
The fact is that a Master are able to inspire Chelas or to be in telepathic
contact (or other kinds of contacts) with them when needed.
It has for instance been mentioned in the somewhat rejected books "The
Initiated" authored by Cyril Scott.
Even HPB talks about her self being in such a kind of contact. Some chelas
are in almost daíly (ESP + Heart) contact with their Master(s) for shorter
or longer timeperiods.
You can find his trilogy "The Initiated" online at:
http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/books.html
http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/The%20Initiate%20by%20His%20Pupil.pdf
(Volume 1)
http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/The%20Initiate%20in%20the%20New%20World%20by%20His%20Pupil.pdf
(Volume 2)
http://www.sanctusgermano.net/books/THE%20INITIATE%20IN%20THE%20DARK%20CYCLE%20revised.pdf
(Volume 3)
An earlier email of mine at Theos-Talk with an excerpt from one of the books
in the trilogy. Volume 2:
http://theosophy.com/theos-talk/200408/tt00369.html
from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cass Silva" <silva_cass@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:50 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Checked by the Master
Dear Sufilight
You say that,
Today communication is much more easy, because of the use of our
informations-technology. Communication is faster and the level of
knowledge is higher. And the world is more complex in more than one sense.
My view is, that today a Master would still be using a letter or the
modern e-mail from time to time. But most often only by telepahthically use
(or similar) suggesting to a chela to write or email something to a person
in need. So they more seldom make (Mahatma or similar) letters today,
simply because of our present spread of the Informations society on this
planet.
It doesnt answer my query in relation to the Master being able to transmit
or teach through the astral. Are you saying that if a Master saw someone in
need on one of these study groups that he would impress a Chela's mind with
a solution to the problem?
Cass
"M. Sufilight" <global-theosophy@stofanet.dk> wrote:
My views are:
Cass wrote:
"> I also have problems with the Masters, sending letters to students to
advise them that they have been accepted as a disciple or a Chela's of a
certain Master. My belief is that when the student is ready the Master is
there, and that instruction can be given when we are out of our bodies, e.g.
in sleep. The necessity to be in their presence is only required when the
pupil has acquired a certain level on the path."
My answer:
Well, as far as I understand the historical evolution of humanity - this use
of letters by a Master was not uncommon or wrong back then. When the
circumstances
called for a physical letter to be given to a young chela it happened. Not
all chelas got letters back then. - They were perhaps given from time to
time when a chela had doubt about an impression given by the Master using
telepathy or another kind of ESP.
Today we have a different situation - especially because of the informations
technology we use and the higher level
of knowledge among the average citizens today.
Back then only few were able to read the papers. And books like The Isis
Unveiled and The Secret Doctrine was just too far out to be read by most
people.
A book being published back then would be bought and sold in a quite
different manner than today. The knowledge about it would also spread in a
different manner. The same with the spread of the latest news and knowledge
about what happened in government and in science in one country compared to
another. It would take more time and happen to a lesser amount. And since
fewer people were able to read and understand the texts fewer would hear
about it.
Today communication is much more easy, because of the use of our
informations-technology. Communication is faster and the level of knowledge
is higher.
And the world is more complex in more than one sense.
My view is, that today a Master would still be using a letter or the modern
e-mail from time to time. But most often only by telepahthically use (or
similar) suggesting to a chela to write or email something to a person in
need. So they more seldom make (Mahatma or similar) letters today, simply
because of our present spread of the Informations society on this planet.
But, that is just my view.
(And to let some of the readers know: I use the word Master with a big "M"
to denote that I am talking about a spiritual or theosophical Master.)
And let me assure Perry Coles and others that Jesus was a real deal.
I know.
I am not believeing this. I know it.
HPB also knew.
I came across this website today.
http://www.ridhwan.org
What is the difference between this organisation and the theosophical
teachings ?
from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cass Silva"
To:
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Checked by the Master
Dear Perry
My understanding of the Lord Maitreya is that it is pure spirit, and only
incarnates for a few years in a body. The body of Jesus was used (his
spiritual faculties held in abeyance) by Maitreya for 3 years, from Jesus'
age of 30 to 33. These years were used by Maitreya to bring a new
understanding of religion to mankind. I believe CWL and AB believed that
Krishnamurti would be the body that Maitreya would use, hence the need for
purity at all levels. So I do not see how the Lord Maitreya would have
been available to edit something as trivial as this. Maitreya has taken
the 7th initiation and is line with a Manu of a new race. My teachings
say
Silent Watcher 10th initiation
Lord of the World 9th initiation
Pratyeka Buddah 8th initiation
Manu 7th initiation
Chohan 6th initiation
I personally have problems with the Masters editing anything at a physical
level. Why do this when they can source the information directly from the
mind? My gut instinct tells me that some theosophists chose to namedrop
the Masters to validate the new teachings.
I also have problems with the Masters, sending letters to students to
advise them that they have been accepted as a disciple or a Chela's of a
certain Master. My belief is that when the student is ready the Master is
there, and that instruction can be given when we are out of our bodies,
e.g. in sleep. The necessity to be in their presence is only required
when the pupil has acquired a certain level on the path.
Some theosophists have made of the Masters, super-human men. The Masters
have spiritual work to do in the world and I cannot see why they would
spend their time writing to their disciples. HPB was insistent that her
teachings came from a higher source than herself, and in order to validate
this, reference to them was necessary, but that the masters would spend
the last 100 years appearing and channelling their teachings through
others, to me, is absurd.
Cass
Perry Coles
wrote:
"Therefore I took the typewritten copy which I had made to the Master
Kuthumi and asked Him to be so kind as to read it over. He read it,
altered a word or two here and there, added some connecting and
explanatory notes and a few other sentences which I remembered having
heard Him speak to Mr. Krishnamurti. Then He said: "Yes, that seems
correct; that will do" ; but He added : "let us show it to the Lord
Maitreya." And so we went together,"
Masters & the Path p.175
Notice how the Master read over & "CORRECTED" this manuscript and then
showed it to the "Lord Maitreya" as well.
Why would the Mahatma's not have pointed out to Leadbeater(whom he
claims to be in such close personal contact with) that the teachings
he was puting in his textbooks and manuals as being the teachings of
the Adept Brotherhood actually didn't match with their own?
Perry
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