Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt01087)

Jan 30 2005

Dear Friends:

I cannot understand how the idea of karma and LAW causes such trouble.
Randomness? Why ?

We determine each moment that we choose, our future, and the actions and
reactions that will inevitably ensue. This has been called the: "effect
cycle," and, that will inevitably follow all our choices.  
 
In Nature (which supports us all) there is a grand universal and faultless
impersonal law of equity and justice (it is very subtle, often overlooked
Law of moral equity) which, demands that every "cause" be followed by an
immutable "effect" (similar to the law of physics to CAUSE: - EACH
EFFECT BEING EQUAL AND OPPOSITE TO ITS CAUSE).  
 
This moral law insures that every victim receives due recompense from anyone
who has been responsible for hurting it, and every "good" deed be
compensated by a just and fair return for its compassion and brotherly
sentiments.
 
One aspect of Theosophical philosophy demands we recognize (bear in mind and
practice all the time) a demonstrable fact: that the Human EGO / Mind is an
immortal being and every incarnation (life on earth) is part of an ongoing
succession of educative experiences. Our present life and living is the
result of our decisions made earlier, and some seem to emanate from our
previous lives. 
 
These two "laws" of all life are called "Karma, and Reincarnation. 
As to "separateness, one may well ask why we are here and where we are going
according to Theosophy. 

In a general, but ultimately in a very compelling and complete way, each
Ego/Mind is expected by Nature (called a great "Mother" by some), to learn
(over the panorama of many incarnations and experiences) all her "secret
workings."  
 
Thereafter, and voluntarily, we are expected, as human Minds/Egos, to become
each, an active and beneficent participant in her enormous work of
humanizing all beings.   
 
The "goal" to which all this enormous and vast effort, here on earth and
elsewhere in the Universe leads, has been expressed as : the individual
attainment of Supreme Spiritual WISDOM - the knowledge and powers of Nature
are only entrusted to those who have fully proved they are benevolent and
compassionately (non abusive) intelligent humans.  
 
Such individuals have been called the Christs, the Avatars, the Rishis, the
Buddhas, the Magi, Hierophants, Initiates, and the Great Teachers and, the
Sages of the World - they are the wise "Sons of God," as some say. 
 
The "Family of Man" becomes a reasonable fact, because of the actuality of a
brotherhood of man, where each is seen to need as well as depend on the
cooperative assistance of all the rest. 

How else could the vast (whether large or small) Universe be sustained, and
we receive the friendly comfort of the life we all exist in ?  
 
Once we realize that it is incumbent on us to work to achieve such a
glorious future, we can make a start, wherever we are. In a way, it is an
enormous responsibility and involves everything we do. 

As to time:  

Consider these periods for a moment: (from SECRET DOCTRINE Vol II)

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Page Key word Notes References 
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68-70	FIGURES FROM the Tamil TIRUKANDA PANCHANGA
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68fn	Refers only to our SOLAR SYSTEM [ See also SD II 710-11 I
454-5 ]
Ocean 134 Glos 359

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70 311,040,000 000 000 years = MAHA KALPA, or Life of Brahma
(100 of BRAHMA'S
YEARS)
[311 trillion, 40 billion] SD
II 70
SD I 63 336fn 370 13 Glos 170 Is II
273
SD I 91 134fn 144fn 371 II 499fn 
70
3,110,400,000,000 years = 1 YEAR OF BRAHMA SD II 70
[ 3 trillion, 110 billion ]

8,640,000,000 years = 1 DAY + 1 NIGHT OF BRAHMA     

4,320,000,000 years = 1 Kalpa = l Day of Brahma or
1,000 Maha-Yugas SD
II 69
or 14 Manus
SD II 59-60
[ see The THEOSOPHIST, Nov.,
1885, p. 115-6; 
article by P.
Sreenivas Row ]
69
1 Day of Brahma = 4,294,080,000 years = 994 Maha-Yugas 
or 14 Manus
add 25,920,000 years = 1 Sandhi
(twilight)  
SD II 308fn
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1 DAY / KALPA 4,320,000,000 years = 1 KALPA or 
1 Day of Brahma  
(4 billion, 320 million)  	
SD II 69-70

69
1 MANVANTARA 
= 306,720,000 years = 71 Maha Yugas of 4,320,000 
add 1,728,000 years = 1 Sandhi 	
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308,448,000 years = 1 MANVANTARA 


4 Yugas [ THE 4 "AGES" ] . . . SD
II 69
ML
p. 121, IS I 32
							
1,728,000 years = Krita (or Satya, or Golden Age--Yuga )
1,296,000 years = Treta (or Silver Age--Yuga )  
864,000 years = Dwapara ( or Bronze Age--Yuga )
432,000 years = Kali ( or Black, Iron Age--Yuga )
__________________     
4,320,000 years = 1 MAHA YUGA - or	[Begins: SD I 434-5
1/1000th of A Day of Brahma    
	
69	Yugas	SD II 69 HPB III 422; Lucif XIII,
183-4
Isis I 32 293 II 434 WQJ I 179

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[ NOTE in BCW vol. 13, p 301-6 a partial MSS of HPB's is 
reproduced in which she seems to give additional
information on the reckoning of the return of 
the sequence of the Yugas. ]

68	HUMANITY - First appearance of	1,664,500,987 years Tamil
to which 300,000,000 are to be added
1,655,884,687 years
Arya Samaj figures:	1,960,852,987 years
SD I 407 656
SD I 170 368 II 785 149 710
712

69	Vaivaswata Manvantara to 1887	18,618,728 years

[ Note: Varaha Kalpa marked 1/2 of Brahma's
Life	SD II 179


		
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68fn	Fossils	will include materialized remains from earlier 
Rounds	hundreds of millions of years old
SD II 684 736 679

68fn	Ethereal then, physical now SD I 190 II 72 713 688fn

68fn	Material changes pari passu with physical evolution of Man
SD II 72 713 688fn
Lucif 4 - 27-31; 10 - 98-100; 13 - 183-4; 14 -
514-5
Theos't 2 - 80 (source); 5 - 48-9; 7 - 115-6 187;
Theos't 10 - 99; HPB I - 422

69fn	Vaivaswata Manu and 7 Rishis saved from Atlantis cataclysm
SD II 139-141 249-50 307 310 715fn

69fn	Pralayas their importance and the saving of humanity from
cataclysms	SD I 4-5 368 371 II 310fn 329-30

69fn	Cosmic Pralaya	after 100 years of Brahma's Life
Krishna/Vishnu as Rudra enters into the 7 Rays of
the SUN and dries up all the waters of the 
Universe. The Solar Rays dilate into 7 SUNS and 	
set fire to the whole cosmos. SD I 458-8 370-1
SD II 548 611

69fn	Sequence of 4 - 3 - 2 a sacred series SD II 73 307fn


69fn	Sandhya Twilight SD II 308fn Th'st 10, p. 99 (table)
Isis II 260 505 (bot.)


70	EXOTERIC FIGURES only are given here
Agree fairly closely with the Esoteric which
how a greater number of esoteric cycles
S D I 49 253 330fn 396
432-3
70	Cycles within Cycles	SD I 40fn 221 637-8 641-2  
SD II 189 301 330 620-1
[ Overlap	SD II 433fn 444
[ Initiation gives	SD I 314 642 II 566

70	Racial cycles	SD II 330-1 396 443-6

70	Antiquity of the information concerning cycle is great
SD I 40fn 47 49 67 638

70	Giants and Pygmies	good and bad in past Myths traced

71	Antiquity of Man according to Ency. Britannica is only 
approximate - wide fluctuations

71	Geological changes to be considered as new 
evidence arises 

71	Various schools of Science adopt different figures

71	Bible scholars allow about 6,000 years

71-2	Laing on chronology and geology quoted -- confusion
SD II 710-13

72	Huxley	1 billion years vs 15 million estimated by others
SD II 11
72	Vaivaswata humanity began only 18 million years ago
73	The SD will proceed to give evidence for this
in 3rd part of this volume

[ Note: Varaha Kalpa marked 1/2 of Brahma's
Life	SD II 179

72	Geology gives no fact for basis of their estimates and 
theories on the age of various strata

73	4 - 3 - 2 Series of ciphers	SD II 307fn Is II 32
a sacred constantly recurring cycle

73	Nature's Intelligence and vast Plan are evident -- Nature's
secrets when studied reveal an intelligent Plan in 	
Cosmogony that results in natural cosmic divisions
in time and action/reaction for everything and 
show that everything in inter-related


74	Causes and effects are esoteric, exoteric, and endexoteric


74	BOTTOM OF A CYCLE at present for all of us -- a

TRANSITORY STATE.		
Is I 247, Letters 71 FP 305

[ Note: Varaha Kalpa marked 1/2 of Brahma's
Life	SD II 179

74	BARREN PERIOD	is our present		

74	SKEPTICISM is its disease
[ Skepticism SD I 479-80 676 II 443

74	Commingling of all the aspects of nature at present

74	Cyclic Laws	proofs to be given

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Best wishes,,

Dallas
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-----Original Message-----

From: cassilva48
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 6:56 PM
To: 
Subject: Necessity of Randomness


Dear Zakk

I was reading that the period of the earth's duration is greater than that
of any entity or race upon it, and for this reason Karma is adjustable. 

Effects represent the combination and interaction of the whole number of
causes involved in producing the effects. Karma needs appropriate
instruments (conditions) for its action. Without the appropriate
conditions it remains unexpended. Karma requires the exact correction and
relation of the Karma with the body, mind, intellectual and psychical
nature acquired for use by the Ego in any life. In any life our body may
be appropriate for karma to operate, or inappropriate, for karma and hence
it is expended until conditions are ripe.

I was also reading that

"Everything that takes place on this globe or in the solar system or in
the Sun or in the Galaxy takes place according to law, the Agents of Karma
are there to hold it firm, to prevent as it were the earthquake or the
tidal wave or the cyclone from going crazy and destroying
indiscriminately. There must be a guiding spiritual power to see that the
performing of these events shall take place without the complete wrecking
of mankind. This is Narada's work, a protection of mankind and also an
avenger. He works by overshadowing men of the proper psychological,
spiritual, intellectual and even physical temperament and works through
them. His duty is to see that the world is protected, that Karmic Law,
destiny, be carried out irrespective of the consequences, for it is the
only way to reestablish law, order, equilibrium, justice, ultimate wisdom
and peace. Otherwise there would be Nature piling up a vast accumulation
of unexpended karma which in time might flood the human race and utterly
destroy it.

Cass