Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt01067)

Mr. Morten Sufilight

Excellent post and practically I find very honest , sensible and true all your point sof view, principally on ( ...) "Never-the-less Leadbeaters failings, just shows all of us the risk involved when you are on the spiritual path.And it shows us that we all have to be realistic about what can happen - and the degree of deceptionwhich can take place - (to ourselves) - and when astral-mental psychics and clairvoyants fails on their path."(...)
We must learn from the mistakes not only from ourselves but we must be extremely conscious, awaken and observing the errors of the others, I mean not for criticizing, but to learn from the mistakes and their consequences.It is meditation.
Some passages from your email were really illuminating and beautiful ( " We are all of us connected - also those who have failed.")
I hope that all in the list understand the depth of all you meant.
cheers

Krishtar
----- Original Message ----- 
From: M. Sufilight 
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Checked by the Master




Hallo all,

My views are:

My readings tells me the following.

Leadbeater was tested.
He had due to his past incarnations earned the right to use clairvoyance on 
a comparatively high level
compared to his overall development. Other parts of his 7-fold body wasn't 
that developed.
So he was tested on his use of clairvoyance with regard to the delvelopment
of these parts of the body.
He failed, but only to a certain degree. His tounge was too swift for his 
own good - and thereby he created problems
to the whole of theosophical society.
Why the Masters allowed this happen we can all of us wonder about.
But they had and have a plan.

Remember G. Hodson and Dora van Gelder Kunz testified that he was 
clairvoyant.
If Leadbeater wasn't a clairvoyant - they would also be lying. I find that 
difficult
to accept as the truth.

Never-the-less Leadbeaters failings, just shows all of us the risk involved 
when you are on the spiritual path.
And it shows us that we all have to be realistic about what can happen - and 
the degree of deception
which can take place - (to ourselves) - and when astral-mental psychics and 
clairvoyants fails on their path.

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A few words...

We have some of us emailed many times with each other at this forum.

It sit here comfortably in my chair with the pc running in our physically 
evolving informations and bio society.
My thoughts goes to all of us living creatures on this our living planet.
We are all here right now in this our universe.
I know I care for all of you on my own small level.
If you only knew...>:-)

...pause...

All the stars are there.......all the starsigns....with their astrological 
mythologies.
...pause...

I just wonder and ponder. And I radiate.
The galaxy is whirling around among other galaxies.......The vast amazing 
cosmos is alive and in it is LIFE.......
We are all of us connected - also those who have failed.
Life is quite force when one ponders on it.
The dancing devas and the exchange of lifeforce in cosmos...aah what a 
bliss...

...pause...

Just sitting here wondering and contemplating about all of this - which we 
call LIFE, makes
me happy.
Happy because I know, that God truely is in its incredible high state called 
the "Unknowable" or "Neti, Neti" (ie. Not This, Not That)
or as others mentions it "Emptiness of Emptiness".
I know. I do not merely believe this.
I know.
I am happy that I know, and that I can tell you this.

Happy because I am confident, that you all will reach a fulfilled completion 
of development when time and life is ripe.
Only patience and work is ahead for you and me.
Those who have failed included.

Aeehm...
Let us promote quality teachings and literary outlets.
And as Blavatsky said "Cull the good we find in each system". Ie. each 
teaching system and lecture.

And let us be aware of that we do not mislead each others to believe blindly 
in anything about the theosophical teachings
and the literary outlets from the various so-called theosophical writers.

In her time HPB most often corrected minor or bigger mistakes made in 
literature with a theosophical content.
She did it with her polite and yet humorous writing style.
A. P. Sinnetts book on Esoteric Bhu(d)dism was one of them. Kingsford and 
Gerald Massey are other authors, which she dealt with --- and many more.

Leadbeater did write some very good books. But, we aught to let each other 
know that there are many mistakes
in his many books. And that his reputation wasn't the best even at his time 
of writing.
It will always be remembered that in the timeperiod of 1875-2005 of the 
theosophical history
in modern times Leadbeater was the most high-ranked TS theosophical teacher 
who
has ever been forced to resign because of a sexscandal - .
It aught to be remembered so we do not recreate mistakes.

As HPB said: We must recognize truth when it is proven to us.

Some of you might disagree with me.
But never come and tell me that there are no Theosophical fanatics running 
around today year 2005.
Let us help these fanatics, so that they learn to recognize TRUTH when it is 
proven to them.
(Aeehm... --- Also the dead-letter theosophical fanatics with a middle 
eastern bias in their auras.)

A Master once said, that what you consider to be the most precious to your 
own self,
that will most likely be taken away from you ---- away from your egoistical 
self.
One example is: National Pride.
Another could be: The Secret Doctrine or "The CWL complete collection".
And what you do not appreciate or feel attracted to you will most likely 
learn to appreciate
and care for.

To learn about a new thought system could be the solution to your problems.

Tears are in my eyes while writing this.
I do care...
I do hope, that I never will let any of you down.


Let us seek not to email too much.
Let us not seek to email too little.
Let us seek to act with quality in our radiated outlet.

The fact that we carelessly email so much just tells me that the importance 
of
the words:
Let us promote quality teachings and literary outlets.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:30 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Checked by the Master


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> Friends:
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> Can anyone seriously believe this?
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> Who has time to waste?
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> Has anyone seen anything like that in the MAHATMA LETTERS ?
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> Seriously, is this what THEOSOPHY is about? I kind of doubt it. I think
> THEOSOPHY is far more serious. For those who THINK .
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> Well, well, it takes all kinds .....
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> Lets get back to studying and leave fairies(?) and dream land to those who
> enjoy such toys.
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> Its about on the level of "having a nodding acquaintance with Mr. Personal
> God:" As one facetious author once remarked through his character
> "Bompherty." In this "Travels and Musings."
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> Dallas
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry
> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 2:59 AM
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> Subject: Checked by the Master
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> "Therefore I took the typewritten copy which I had made to the Master
> Kuthumi and asked Him to be so kind as to read it over. He read it,
> altered a word or two here and there, added some connecting and
> explanatory notes and a few other sentences which I remembered having
> heard Him speak to Mr. Krishnamurti. Then He said: "Yes, that seems
> correct; that will do" ; but He added : "let us show it to the Lord
> Maitreya." And so we went together,"
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> Masters & the Path p.175
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> Notice how the Master read over & "CORRECTED" this manuscript and then
> showed it to the "Lord Maitreya" as well.
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> Why would the Mahatma's not have pointed out to Leadbeater(whom he
> claims to be in such close personal contact with) that the teachings
> he was puting in his textbooks and manuals as being the teachings of
> the Adept Brotherhood actually didn't match with their own?
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