Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00982)

Dear Leon
A couple more questions
Cass

leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:


Dear Cass,

All we have to do is make a mental rotation of 
the 2-D image in our mind's eye and then look at it from any angle we want to -- including from the back side

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So its a little bit like imagining the spinning of a rolling numberless dice in the air - in slow motion. Starting with a four sided non-solid object, mentally expanding and contracting the dice to form a six sided object, etc etc. Don't know the geometrical terms for the various shapes but I think I have got the idea.


. People with great mechanical aptitude or 
artistic talent do this automatically. Anyone who tries this and practices until 
they can easily draw any object from the same 3-D angle they see it in their 
mind, will be born with that "talent" in their next life. It's not much 
different from learning to ride a bicycle -- which the brain-body doesn't forget 
(at least during this lifetime). However, the mind, especially its higher 
aspects of intuitive memory, never forgets. Although, to be an adept artist in a 
new body, it will take practice in training the new brain to improve the skill 
and teach it how to coordinate the eye with the hand so the action becomes 
automatic. Incidentally,

the same process works with sound and skilled musicianship. 

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Is this like hearing the individual instruments singularly yet at the same time retaining the tune?

With dance, I can in my minds eye, dance like Nijinsky. Next lifetime I am definitely going to be a performer of some kind. As a child, when my mother was at work, I would dance from sofa to chair to floor to sofa like a whirling dervish! What a sight I must have been.

BTW, such visualization practice also teaches us to recognize that the 
consciousness or spirit is separate from what it sees or experiences, and is one of 
the most important aspects of meditation practice that leads to self 
realization or enlightenment. 

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I have never been particularly good at Meditation, however, when I played Sport, the moment I was on the court, it was as if nothing else existed accept me and the Ball, I didn't hear the spectators, the coach, the other players, I was in a zone of my own. I don't know if this is what meditation is, but I was only aware of myself and I could intuit every pass etc coming from the opposing team. The same thing applied when scoring, I knew the ball would be successfully put in the basket. My score rate was something like 98% and if I missed I would usually get the rebound and sink it. Enough ruminating. I tried to teach this to my other daughter, Kate, but wasn't able to. Enough ruminating.

(Vide, Patanjali's Yoga Aphorisms.) The trick there is to 
advance visualization to such a state that one can see beyond 3-D into the 
higher fractal dimensions -- such as symbolically pictured in my chakrafield 
diagrams:
http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/chakrafield.html
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/invlutionflddiagnotate.gif 


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I have looked at these and your 3D pictures and find that if I look too long I get a brain pain, do you think it is because I am forcing centres to open that like to remain closed. Should I persevere?


You might also be interested in seeing how the fractal spherical geometry and 
the fractal regular polygon (octahedron) geometry interrelate -- by 
meditating on these 3-D images:
http://users.aol.com/leonmaurer/UNIOMNIFORMexploded.gif

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logically I think I get this, the point fractures into a million bits and then the bits refracture back to the point. The Point becomes the Circle, the Circle becomes the Point.

Ciao

Cass

Best wishes,

Leon

In a message dated 01/24/05 10:08:08 PM, silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:

>
>Dear Leon
>Had fun with the Tesseract 4, and notice that it reduces to two dimensions.
> My daughter draws in 3D, when I asked her how she did it, she says she
>sees everything from above or outside of the image, as if looking down
>on it.
>Cass
>
>leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>In a message dated 01/19/05 7:03:22 AM, silva_cass@yahoo.com writes:
>
>>That is my question.
>>Cass
>
>Depends on what you are capable of imagining -- based on how well developed
>
>is your power of imagination. 
>
>I could imagine in 3D and color since I was a young child. It started me
>
>drawing in 3D and perfect perspective (that amazed my family and teachers)
>before I was 7 years old. Most of the students I met, when I studied art in 
my
>teens at a special school for talented children, also had that capability. 
Some 
>of us could even draw in 3D from our imagination and even with our eyes
>closed or not looking at the paper. (In fact, that was one of the tests for 
entry
>into that school.) Such a skill came so naturally to me, that I couldn't
>imagine that anyone else couldn't do it -- until I tried teaching such
>drawing ability to all my untalented neighborhood friends. :-) 
>
>I still believe it can be trained, however -- since, in later years, I was 
>successful in teaching others to visualize in 3-D. Incidentally, only one of 
my 
>brothers had a similar talent (and he became a well known comic book 
>illustrator, and later, an animation and film production designer)... 
Although,
>none of my children showed that same early talent. Incidentally, my intuitive
>understanding of how we see and imagine in 3D depth, helped me invent 3D
>Comic books in the early 50's. See: http://www.ray3dzone.com/LM.html 
>
>So, perhaps, for those born with it, it's a talent that was developed in
>a previous life. (And, therefore, could be trained in this life.) I know 
that 
>after some years of meditation and visualization practice, I am able to 
imagine 
>forms in 4 and even 5 dimensions. For example, I can see a 4D hypercube
>or tesseract, and even a 5D hypertesseract in my minds eye... But, I can't
>describe such images -- except, possibly, as a 2-D or 3-D line drawing... 
Vide,
>my chakrafield diagrams -- which symbolically, represents an imaginary 
cross-section
>of a 7 or more dimensional sphere. Also, look at how a 4D tesseract is drawn 
>in 2D and animated in 3D at:
>http://www.cut-the-knot.org/Curriculum/Geometry/Tesseract.shtml
>
>Enjoy your imaginings,
>
>Leon...



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