Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00875)

Perry wrote:

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Few of us claim any special spiritual status 
that Leadbeater did. He therefore has put himself 
as fair game to be put under the spotlight of 
scrutiny for theosophical students as we try and 
assess the veracity of his writings and claims.
Leadbeater made the claim that he was in contact 
with and a close disciple of the very same 
adepts as Madame Blavatsky.

Repeatedly and clearly he made the claim 
that his teachings came from these same Adepts.
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Pedro replied:

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Can you point out which of his books he claimed 
to come from the Adepts?
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Pedro, Perry wrote that Leadbeater claimed his teachings
came from HPB's adepts. I don't know if Leadbeater
specifically claimed that HIS BOOKS came from the Adepts.

Are you now trying to tell us that Leadbeater's teachings
did NOT come from the Masters? Are you trying to tell
us that after 50 years of "chelaship" Mr. Leadbeater
did NOT know what the teachings were as given by
the Masters?

Throughout Leadbeater's writings he makes innumerable
statements of his intimate knowledge of the Masters
and of his own personal contact and communication with the
Masters.

Let me again quote what Leadbeater said on one occasion:

"I have stood beside your President [Mrs. Besant] in the presence of
the Supreme Director of Evolution on this globe, and I know whereof
I speak. Let the wise hear my words, and act accordingly."

This is quite a claim!

I KNOW WHEREOF I SPEAK. LET THE WISE HEAR MY WORDS...

Notice also what else he said on that occasion:

"She [Mrs. Besant] is a pupil of our Masters; from the fount of Their
archaic wisdom she derives her own, the plans which she is carrying
out are Their plans for the welfare of the world. THINK THEREFORE,
HOW GREAT AN HONOUR IT IS FOR YOU that you should be permitted
to work under her, for in doing so you are virtually working under
Them. THINK HOW WATCHFUL YOU SHOULD BE TO MISS NO HINT WHICH FALLS
FROM HER LIPS...." caps added

And what FALLS FROM ANNIE BESANT'S LIPS...?????

She says:

"By hard, patient work he [CWL] has won rewards . . .
until he stands perhaps the most trusted of his
Master's disciples ON THE THRESHOLD OF DIVINITY."

Readers with any sense should rightfully conclude that Mr. Leadbeater
(if his and Mrs. Besant's claims as given above are true) should have
known better than anyone else exactly what the teachings of the
Masters and of the Master K.H. were.

In effect, taking together the two quotes, what Leadbeater says about 
Mrs. Besant equally applies to himself.

THINK HOW WATCHFUL YOU SHOULD BE TO MISS NO HINT WHICH FALLS
FROM HER [or Leadbeater's ] LIPS...." 

Daniel