Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00842)

Dennis

You write in part:

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I recall when I was in High School, that at the close of Gym Class,
all the boys would swarm to the Locker Room, take off all their
clothes, hit the shower, 15 or 20 naked boys at a time, use the
bathroom facilities, and the shower room. There were not individual
private showers, it was an about 9 foot by 12 foot room with 5 to 9
showers individually controlled. The boys would take their showers,
check each other out - out of the corner of our eyes, walk back to the
lockers, dry off, and put on civilian clothes, comb hair, and get
ready to go on to our next class.

As I recall, there was nothing "Sexual" about all this, and no one
viewed all this as a Great Moral Issue.

And then later, I was in the Navy, and on board small ships. Their
were about 20 to 30 in our sleeping compartment, and about 50 feet
away, down the corridor, was the bathroom. There was about 10 to 12
wash basins side by side, with mirrors above them, and AC outlets for
those with electric shavers. On the other side of the corridor, there
was a large open 9 by 12 room with about 10 showers, all in the open,
no individual stalls, and no one though that it was at all unusual. We
all got up at revile, and we had a limited time to get showered, and
dressed, and prepared for going to the mess hall for breakfast.

Everyone left our clothes behind, some took a towel with them, and
went to wash, shower, shave, fix hair and get ready for breakfast,
most of us being naked. Pretty much the same routine was in operation
at the end of the work, when in port, we would strip in the living
quarters, go to the shower, and wash, and prepare for going ashore on
Liberty. I am sure that no one thought of all this as a Great Negative
Moral Issue.

But with CWL and his pupils it is roundly criticized. So, in that
establishment in Australia, what was the floor plan? At what time did
they get up (arise in the morning)? How much time did they have to
prepare for breakfast, and/or the first classes? Did they have
individual rooms for the pupils, with each bedroom having its own
individual bathroom? -Or was there more limited space for everyone?

I recall the Boy Scout camping experience, where group activities took
place, including swimming without any swimming suits, washing, and
other activities with no thought about little or no clothes. So, what
is the big deal with CWL and the group bathing, with I assume limited
time till breakfast? How many commodes did they have in the room? I
assume that Mr. Leadbeater and his enema occupied one, so there must
have been more than one. How many wash basins?
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Dennis, in YOUR examples, did a NUDE man in his fifties, sixties
seventies or eighties SHOWER IN THE NUDE with boys of 13, 14 and 15?

And YOUR examples ignore the sleeping in bed with nude boys of that
same age group.

Would you want YOUR son of 13, 14 or 15 showering in the nude and 
sleeping nude in the bed with a man of 50 plus years??????????

The same could be asked of Michael Jackson: why is Jackson a grown 
man sleeping in the bed with boys of 13, 14 and 15 years of ago?

And would you want your son to sleep in the same bed with Michael
Jackson?

Your examples are not relevant....

Daniel