Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00838)

Perry,

Thanks for outlining once again the basic points.

I doubt that Anand will ever reply!

Pedro has certainly responded to some of
the points but unfortunately has ignored
the majority of issues.

Therefore, the ostrich head in the sand
routine is found to be the basic answer
to any of the questions or issues you
bring up.

Daniel




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Perry Coles" <perrycoles@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Some issues for consideration about Leadbeater and his teachings -
> 
> Few of us claim any special spiritual status that Leadbeater did.
> He therefore has put himself as fair game to be put under the 
> spotlight of scrutiny for theosophical students as we try and 
assess 
> the veracity of his writings and claims.
> 
> Leadbeater made the claim that he was in contact with and a close 
> disciple of the very same adepts as Madame Blavatsky.
> 
> Repeatedly and clearly he made the claim that his teachings came 
from 
> these same Adepts.
> A comparison of his teachings with those of the Mahatma letters 
shows 
> that many of his teachings (WHICH HE CLAIMED CAME FROM THE SAME 
> ADEPTS!!!) clearly contradict and are in direct opposition to the 
> Mahatmas' teachings.
> 
> How do supporters of Leadbeater and his writings explain this?
> What rationale can be given in order to assess these claims of 
> Leadbeater without his supporters using the usual techniques of 
> either diverting attention away from the questions or simply 
avoiding 
> answering them altogether?
> 
> To me it can only mean one of two things; either Leadbeater was 
> imagining his own Mahatmas and his teachings, or he was lying.
> 
> It has been proven that Leadbeater lied about his date of birth 
which 
> meant he also lied about seeing the Mahatma M in London as a young 
> boy. These two issues have still not been answered by his 
supporters 
> despite repeated requests on this forum.
> He demonstrably lied about his father's occupation and his 
childhood 
> adventures in South America. (See "The Elder Brother" pp 11-18 Dr. 
G 
> Tillett)
> 
> He demonstrably lied about attending Queen's College, Oxford and
> St. 
> John's college, Cambridge, apparently attending each at the same 
> time! He attended neither. (See "The Elder Brother" p. 15 Dr. G. 
> Tillett)
> 
> He very clearly manipulated "data" in his work "The Many Lives of 
> Alcycone" to suit his purpose. (See "The Elder Brother" p.114 Dr. G 
> Tillett)
> 
> And now, thanks to Anand Gholap's recent "recommendation" to read
> J 
> Michael McBride's article from Yale University, we find
> Leadbeater 
> and Annie Besant using similar techniques for their work "Occult 
> Chemistry". Under the sub heading "Quantitative Evidence of 
> Skulduggery" the article states "Unknowingly the Occult Chemists 
left 
> quantitative evidence suggesting that, from the beginning, at least 
> Leadbeater, or Jinarajadasa, and perhaps Besant or all three, 
> cynically intended to deceive." (My italics)
> 
> Moreover, Leadbeater by his own admission slept naked in the same 
bed 
> and bathed with young boys on a regular basis, whilst engaging in 
> activities which today would clearly bring about his conviction as 
a 
> paedophilia and which would have THEN had he not employed 
> paedophiles' commonly used disempowering techniques such 
> as "swearing" the boys to secrecy. All this from a man "on the 
verge 
> of divinity"?!?
> 
> Some on this group have suggested that there was nothing unusual 
> about these practices in that time period.
> 
> The numerous police investigations and the thousands who resigned 
> from the society due to this, AT THE TIME, would probably disagree.
> 
> 
> Leadbeater claimed to be a high initiate in close personal contact 
> with the Adept teachers of Blavatsky.
> These claims are not supported by the evidence?
> 
> It can be demonstrated clearly that he may have been in 
communication 
> with something but it certainly was not the same Adept teachers of 
> Blavatsky.
> 
> 
> So who do we accept as having greater credibility in occult 
> knowledge; the Mahatmas or a commentator of highly suspect 
> credentials who contradicted the teachings of the very same 
Mahatmas 
> HE CLAIMED TO REPRESENT and whose names he used to validate 
> his "authority"???
> 
> These are just some examples of why to me, Leadbeater's teachings 
> need to be seriously challenged by any truly serious student of 
> theosophy.
> 
> It is true, tens of thousands have read and will probably continue 
to 
> read his writings.
> 
> Tens of thousands making a mistake, doesn't make it any less of a 
> mistake.
> 
> If "There Is No Religion Higher Than Truth", as Blavatsky adopted 
as 
> the motto for the Adyar Theosophical Society, how can
> Leadbeater's 
> level of lies, manipulation and deceit go unchallenged by both the 
> Society and his supporters? 
> 
> How can they be summarily dismissed in one form or another by 
anyone 
> genuinely seeking a truthful mind? What is the power that 
Leadbeater 
> holds over his supporters? 
> 
> Are not the Adyar Society and Leadbeater's supporters perpetuating 
> this monstrous deceit of the mind?
> 
> Perry