Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00432)

Labeling a truth I observed for more than a decade as 
falsehood is a very strange twisting, especially if it comes 
from someone who is said to be an expert in twisting!
It is highly doubtful that this person has beyond its 
personality any interest in the higher, not to say in the 
truth.
The woman which destroys the spirit - the kali ygua being 
female - is not limited to members in female bodies. As 
Steiner used to say so well ironically there are female 
aunts as well as male aunts.
In other words there are male members will a weak will which 
refuse not only to become more and more male (as offered in 
GdeP's "Golden precepts" etc.), but as the result of their 
female environment become more and more passive, refuse more 
and more to think for themselves - and end as male aunts! 
That was teh situation at the beginning of the 20th Century 
and I wonder whether we had a real progress within the TM 
since then or not.

The reference to the Roman Catholic Church is a very bad 
example.

Let's hear what HPB has to say in her interesting article 
"Progress and Culture" (B:CW XII:268f.) on the role of the 
women according the Church:
http://www.blavatsky.net/blavatsky/arts/ProgressAndCulture.htm

"Those ladies who claim day after day and night after night 
with such earnest and passionate eloquence, at "Woman's 
Franchise League" meetings, their legitimate share of rights 
as mothers, wives and citizens, and still attend "divine" 
service on Sundays--prosecute at best the unprofitable 
business of boring holes through sea-water. It is not the 
laws of the country that they should take to task, but the 
Church and chiefly themselves. It is the Karma of the women 
of our era. It was generated with Mary Magdalene, got into 
practical expression at the hands of the mother of 
Constantine, and found an ever renewed strength in every 
Queen and Empress "by the grace of God." Judean Christianity 
owes its life to a woman--une sublime hallucinée, as Renan 
puts it. Modern Protestantism and Roman Catholicism owe 
their illegitimate existence, again, to priest-ridden and 
church-going women; to the mother who teaches her son his 
first Bible lesson; to the wife or sister who forces her 
husband or brother to accompany her to church and chapel; to 
the emotional and hysterical spinster, the admirer of every 
popular preacher. And yet the predecessors of the latter 
have for fifteen centuries degraded women from every 
pulpit!"

"Withal, it is emotional woman who, even at this hour of 
progress, remains as ever the chief supporter of the Church! 
Nay it is she again who is the sole cause, if we have to 
believe the Bible allegory, that there is any Christianity 
or churches at all. For only, imagine where would be both, 
had not our mother Eve listened to the tempting Serpent. 
First of all there would be no sin. Secondly, the Devil 
having been thwarted, there would be no need of any 
Redemption at all, nor of any woman to have "seed" in order 
that it should "bruise under its heel the serpent's head"; 
and thus there would be neither Church nor Satan. For as 
expressed by our old friend Cardinal Ventura de Raulica, 
Serpent-Satan is "one of the fundamental dogmas of the 
Church, and serves as a basis for Christianity." Take away 
that basis and the whole struggle topples overboard into the 
dark waters of oblivion."
"And now, a word of good advice to all the members of 
Leagues and other societies connected with Woman's Rights. 
In our days of culture and progress, now that it is shown 
that in Union alone lies strength, and that tyrants can be 
put down only by their own weapons; and that finally we find 
that nothing works better than a "strike"--let all the 
champions of women's rights strike, and pledge themselves 
not to set foot in church or chapel until their rights are 
re-established and their equality with men recognised by 
law. We prophesy that before six months are over every one 
of the Bishops in Parliament will work as jealously as 
themselves to bring in bills of reformation and pass them. 
Thus will Mosaic and Talmudic law be defeated to the glory 
of--WOMAN."

Now what's the role of women within the Theosophical 
Movement? The former female President of the Berlin 
Blavatsky Lodge always advised her members NOT to read HPB 
as she is outmoded, better to read Leadbeater. The wife of 
the President of the Hartmann-TS (she being as wife the true 
President) once told me of her proud that one day she got 
access to a bulk of historical TS documents which she has of 
course destroyed immediately. The female Vice President on 
asking her why they destroy all their archives told me the 
wisehood: We destroy all so that historians of the future 
are not able to write us down! The fact that within the last 
two, three decades nearly all documents and unique books, 
pamphlets in Germany disappeared is mainly due to passive 
women and male aunts which believe obviously in a kind of 
Jewish world view and destroy as much as they can get to 
attract the Masters to them - after the motto: The more I 
destroy the faster the Master comes and rebuilds all! And 
yet those male and female aunts without a sense of 
responsibility, without a sense what a TS is or for what it 
was founded, without any spiritual longing, just limited to 
their psychic, emotional, selfish and destructive ends claim 
to have nothing to do with it, deny that any of the daily 
destruction ever happened, deny they ever heard of it and 
claim that it is not they which destroy all the archives - 
it was Hitler!

What a luck they have found their mumbo! The evil Hitler was 
it! That's the cant which suits their selfish ends and 
allows them to sail under the theosophical flag! A fairy 
tale which is also supported in the sometimes stupid HPB 
biography of Sylvia Cranston - despite the fact that the 
historical truth is just the opposite! But who cares? 
Theosophists? It seems the main thing is to have a good 
story, no matter whether true or not!

Frank

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 5:38 PM
Subject: Theos-World Spirit-destroying women




--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, ringding777@t... wrote:
>
> Agreed. I know of no theosophical group of whatever 
> lineage
> (at least in my country) in which the spirit of HPB is 
> alive
> or is tolerated. In fact, all these groups are controlled 
> by
> women. The woman destroyes the spirit. In fact they have
> become sects where free speaking and free thinking is
> forbidden.
>
That's a libelous falsehood about the TSes! You can think 
whatever
you want and no one will bother you unless you speak or 
write your
heretical thoughts.

That spirit-destroying female domination sure does contrast 
vividly
to such male-dominated bastions of free thought and speech 
as the
Roman Catholic Church, the Southern Baptist Convention, the 
Church
of JC of LDS, and the Baha'is.








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