Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00401)

Hello Krishta,
Reminds me of the old saying about `not throwing the baby out with the
bathwater'.
That is why for me the main issue the Adyar TS needs to deal with is
allowing a comparison of CWL's teachings with those of Blavatsky and
the Mahatma's.
This is simply upholding the s 2nd object of the Adyar TS-

(To encourage the study of Comparative Religion, Philosophy, and Science.)
And its motto there is no Religion higher than Truth

The TS needs to embrace critical thought if it is to truly uphold this
object and motto with any dignity.
That should include ANY teacher including Blavatsky the Mahatmas
writings, Leadbeater and Besant ect.

And I take Paul's point too that we should not fall into the trap of
turning the Masters into demigods and incapable of making errors.
Are they actually who HPB claimed they were or was it a blind?
Maybe they were inventions all these possibilities need to be allowed
to be put into print in TS publications.

Better to find spirituality where we can rather than protect it into
our imaginary whims.
Is the society encouraging the sort of open and free mind it claims to?
All these questions need serious consideration by those with some
influence in the Society to see if it is holding to its own mandate.

If we are genuinely seeking truth we need to be able to look squarely
and freshly at things rather than follow out a program of either
wishful thinking or upsetting the status quo.
As you said it's trying to have an open mind with discernment that's
free of prejudice.
Not easy, but you got to start somewhere I suppose.

Perry

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Hello Perry
> Very good email.
> One very good paragraph you wrote synthesized the reality about
Leadbeater, in my opinion.
> I share it with you:! 
> 
> <<"It's a shame he lost the plot and got caught up in his own ego and 
> psychic delusions and then took Annie Besant along with him.(claiming 
> to be Arhats, second comings, church-iness ect.)" >>
> 
> I would also add that we ought not to see only the worst qualities
he had, because besides his behaviour being not any worth example to
follow, some of his books enlighted the initial paths of many students
of esothericism.
> I know many people who used to study his books comparatively, in a
parallel line along with the SD who simply banished all his books
after getting acquainted with CWL´s life.
> It´s like a prejudice that blinds the discernment.
> For example, Osho was very controversial character but his
explanations on very complex subjects are really of a simplicity
remarkable, principally about the adwaita philosophy.
> I can´t stand people who just put a label and diminishes many
important techings that can be of great help.
> I´d call it open mind and discernment.
> 
> Regards and peace
> 
> Krishtar
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Perry Coles 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Christianity or not...
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> 
> Hello Pedro and All,
> The question you ask regarding the Mahatmas letter to CWL is a very 
> valid and interesting one I think.
> 
> Leadbeater must have shown some potential.
> Some of his commentaries on the spiritual path in talks on the path 
> of occultism for example show quite a bit of insight imo. (Albeit a 
> very Augustinian style) 
> 
> It's a shame he lost the plot and got caught up in his own ego and 
> psychic delusions and then took Annie Besant along with him.(claiming 
> to be Arhats, second comings, church-iness ect.)
> 
> To me the evidence seems pretty conclusive that he was a child 
> molester and a pathological liar, I can't ignore all the evidence 
> that clearly shows that.
> 
> So why if these tendencies were so strong in his skandas did the 
> Mahatmas encourage him to become more involved in the TS?
> 
> I have to say this is a mystery to me.
> 
> Perhaps the Mahatma's saw more than the negative side of him and 
> wanted to encourage his more harmonious qualities.
> It is said that as we grow in awareness our shadow grows along side 
> to our light.
> 
> My hope is that one day the Adyar Society will be mature enough to 
> allow an open critique and comparison of his teachings with those of 
> Blavatsky and the Mahatma's.... that's all.
> 
> The personality Charles Leadbeater was plainly a very human one but 
> one that had charm and charisma and spun a good yarn but also had 
> some spiritual insight as well.
> His lower nature got the better of him and he crashed.
> 
> 
> Perry
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@y...> 
> wrote:
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> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@y...> 
> wrote:
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> > > And my question to the group, which has fallen on deaf ears, "why
> > didnt the Master's recognise this pollution in Leadbeaters aura and
> > disassociate him from the TS"? This is a genuine question, I am not
> > out to denounce the Masters, but it is very puzzling to me how
> > perfected men did not prevent this imperfection from flourishing.  
> > 
> > Perhaps more puzzling is the fact that Leadbeater received letters
> > from one of the Mahatmas (K.H.), was accepted as a Chela (disciple) 
> by
> > him and had his discipleship confirmed in a letter by HPB.
> > 
> > 
> > Pedro
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