Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00386)

Hello Pedro (and others)! I just wanted to make a brief comment. I 
guess we should remember that the TS had ran out of control... HPB 
was asked to leave adyar.. and then she created the London 
Lodge...apart from the TS, something that even Olcott could not 
undersant. 
I don't think the Master interfere in things of the world... and 
could get Leadbeatter to leave the TS. They can't interfere in the 
karma and free will of beings... only adapt circumstances in some 
cases.
Leadbeatter was at first, in my opinion, a good person... but as it 
is said... one in a thousand chelas are happy in their path.. have 
sucess... leadbeatter failed. he went into test and he couldn't 
beare, and his psychism and his ego were bigger than him. Alice 
Bailey is another who got into a trap... and lost the true 
conection...
if leadbeatter did something good at the beggining, whe can't approve 
the things he did after. After HPB's death he brought Besant to his 
own trap... and destroyed any potencial Krishnamurti could have with 
the master with his 'new christ talk'.
Well...i guess that is all
There 's a good book about this matter..
Alice Cleather's book "Blavatsky the great betrayal"

best regards

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Hello Perry
> Very good email.
> One very good paragraph you wrote synthesized the reality about 
Leadbeater, in my opinion.
> I share it with you:! 
> 
> <<"It's a shame he lost the plot and got caught up in his own ego 
and 
> psychic delusions and then took Annie Besant along with him.
(claiming 
> to be Arhats, second comings, church-iness ect.)" >>
> 
> I would also add that we ought not to see only the worst qualities 
he had, because besides his behaviour being not any worth example to 
follow, some of his books enlighted the initial paths of many 
students of esothericism.
> I know many people who used to study his books comparatively, in a 
parallel line along with the SD who simply banished all his books 
after getting acquainted with CWL´s life.
> It´s like a prejudice that blinds the discernment.
> For example, Osho was very controversial character but his 
explanations on very complex subjects are really of a simplicity 
remarkable, principally about the adwaita philosophy.
> I can´t stand people who just put a label and diminishes many 
important techings that can be of great help.
> I´d call it open mind and discernment.
> 
> Regards and peace
> 
> Krishtar
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Perry Coles 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 12:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Christianity or not...
> 
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> 
> Hello Pedro and All,
> The question you ask regarding the Mahatmas letter to CWL is a 
very 
> valid and interesting one I think.
> 
> Leadbeater must have shown some potential.
> Some of his commentaries on the spiritual path in talks on the 
path 
> of occultism for example show quite a bit of insight imo. (Albeit 
a 
> very Augustinian style) 
> 
> It's a shame he lost the plot and got caught up in his own ego 
and 
> psychic delusions and then took Annie Besant along with him.
(claiming 
> to be Arhats, second comings, church-iness ect.)
> 
> To me the evidence seems pretty conclusive that he was a child 
> molester and a pathological liar, I can't ignore all the evidence 
> that clearly shows that.
> 
> So why if these tendencies were so strong in his skandas did the 
> Mahatmas encourage him to become more involved in the TS?
> 
> I have to say this is a mystery to me.
> 
> Perhaps the Mahatma's saw more than the negative side of him and 
> wanted to encourage his more harmonious qualities.
> It is said that as we grow in awareness our shadow grows along 
side 
> to our light.
> 
> My hope is that one day the Adyar Society will be mature enough 
to 
> allow an open critique and comparison of his teachings with those 
of 
> Blavatsky and the Mahatma's.... that's all.
> 
> The personality Charles Leadbeater was plainly a very human one 
but 
> one that had charm and charisma and spun a good yarn but also had 
> some spiritual insight as well.
> His lower nature got the better of him and he crashed.
> 
> 
> Perry
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "prmoliveira" 
<prmoliveira@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@y...> 
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > > And my question to the group, which has fallen on deaf 
ears, "why
> > didnt the Master's recognise this pollution in Leadbeaters aura 
and
> > disassociate him from the TS"? This is a genuine question, I 
am not
> > out to denounce the Masters, but it is very puzzling to me how
> > perfected men did not prevent this imperfection from 
flourishing.  
> > 
> > Perhaps more puzzling is the fact that Leadbeater received 
letters
> > from one of the Mahatmas (K.H.), was accepted as a Chela 
(disciple) 
> by
> > him and had his discipleship confirmed in a letter by HPB.
> > 
> > 
> > Pedro
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