Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00379)

 Dear Dallas 
 
HPB and the Masters, by withdrawing their support from Adyar, in effect were expelling CWL and what he represented from the Society? 
 
For me,this is not a matter of curiousity, nor a witch hunt, but a matterof the credibility and integrity of the Society and those who represent it.   
 
A new student reading
The Path of Occultism, P9. "Those who succeed in these efforts ("He who wishes to follow us must come out of your world into ours") will some day find themselves accepted pupils of one or other of the Masters. When the man's thought becomes part of that of his Teacher the pupil can test his own thought by that of the Master, which is never affected by the crowd, and can see exactly what He thinks on any subject. 
 
P12. Success means the conquest of the self; it means that we take ourselves in hand (I am sure no pun was intended here) and face the facts and, where there are weeds, pull them up. It does not matter how deeply they are rooted, or how much suffering it entails; up with them!
P163 "But union with the Master will finally rid you of the root of all desires"
 
P207 "If you see a case of cruelty to a child or an animal, it is your dutyto interfere"
 
and then learns of CWL's behaviour could rightly assume that something was rotten in the State of Denmark.
 
According to CWL the four qualifications for the path are
Discrimination 
Desirelessness
Good Conduct
Love
 
How can these principles be promoted if we maintain an association with onewho couldnt live by them.
 
Anyway I have expended enough mental energy on this question. As you said Karma will be his judge. I can only conclude that CWL is a lesson for all of us in Discrimination. Perhaps he broke a promise and by then it was too late to alter the course of events that followed.
 
Regards
Cass

prmoliveira <prmoliveira@yahoo.com> wrote:


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
wrote:

> You ask about such an individual being disciplined or expelled. I 
would
> suggest that that the individual's own Higher Self is attentive and
> attending to the matter. As to the Masters, is it not a matter 
that They
> know how best to deal with? You will recall that with HPB's 
leaving India
> for Europe and Britain (1885) Damodar wrote that the Masters' 
influence had
> almost left Adyar. HPB said the same (article: WHY I DO NOT 
RETURN TO
> India). . Of what use is it for us to try to "double-guess" 
matters out of
> curiosity. Those may not be of our concern. Another point is, I 
recall that
> Masters state they may not interfere with another's Karma. 


Dear Dallas:

I think you were really replying to Cass' post. 

Just a brief comment on your statement regarding the supposed 
withdrawal of the Masters' influence from Adyar after HPB left, in 
March 1885. From several accounts of that episode, it seems HPB was 
really furious with the members of the Executive Committee at Adyar 
for not allowing her to sue the Christian missionaries and the 
Coulombs for defaming her, as they provided distorted and fraudulent 
information to Richard Hodgson, who was investigating phenomena at 
Adyar on behalf of the SPR. The reason given by the Ex. Com. members 
was that any legal action would eventually drag the names of the 
Masters to a court battle, and many Indian Chelas were absolutely 
against it. Still, as someone who had been agrieved, HPB had her 
reasons to pursue that line of action.

In Col. Olcott's Diaries, in several entries for the month of 
January 1907, it is recorded that both Mahatmas M. and K.H. paid him 
visits, "audible and tangible", in the presence of at least two 
witnesses. In one of the last visits, one of the Mahatmas told 
Olcott that his work was over. In spite of the fact that he was 
weak, he got out of his bed and fully prostrated before them, in the 
Indian fashion.

If they had visited him several times during his long life of 
service for the TS, would it not be natural that they would do so 
just before he died? The last visits happened almost exact twelve 
years after HPB lef Adyar.

Many theosophical historians question the testimony recorded in 
Olcott's diaries, and it was even suggested that Leadbeater, who had 
resigned from the TS in May 1906, following accusations against him, 
and was living in Italy at that time, had astrally projected, from 
Europe, virtual images of the Masters to appear at Adyar! 


Pedro







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