Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00275)

Dear Christina
Sorry, I misinterpreted your meaning. We are both on the same wave length now.  
It is sad that new students of Theosophy are directed as a first source to CWL mainly because the teachings stated in Secret Doctrine and Isis Unveiled are very profound and at the same time hard to understand for beginners and advanced students. Hence the many questions to clarify certain topics. Without a teaching guide meaning is all up to the interpretation of the reader, which can misconstrue what is actually being said. Best to get rid of the rotten apples whether or not there was some truth in some of the things they said or not. Their (CWL and AB and others)teachings, in many cases and on many subjects are in direct contradiction of what HPB and the Masters said, and only serve to confuse or alienate the beginner who says to himself, "make up your mind, is it this or is it that"?
Luther misinterpreted the teachings of Catholicism and didnt wake up until he was over 40 that God cannot be found through any church system but through man himself. Not that I am a Lutheran, but he saw the hypocricy and double standards of the organization that he was a member of for most of his life.
 
Regards
Cass

christinaleestemaker <christinaleestemaker@yahoo.com> wrote:


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com,Dear Cass, where I said that one of 
the lower mind(manas) can teach the higher?
Just I mentioned that the person living in the lower way, the way of 
the desires cannot give the teaching of the higher, even not in clair 
voyant way, because that is on his lower level.
So if Leadbeater was and used the homosexual way, he was not in a 
spiritual way.!





> How can someone living in the lower manas teach others about higher 
manas. 

Chr: he can NOT. 

Didnt he have a conscience? 

Chr: Yes, one on his level ! 

Are you saying that to be spiritual/ethical you dont necessarily know 
the difference between right and wrong? 

Chr:Then for sure you know!

What effect do you think this would have had on all the young boys 
who were placed in his care for their spiritual development. He 
boasted that masturbation of others was the lesser of two evils. He 
could have masturbated himself blind as far as I am concerned but 
nobody has the authority or justification to psychologically damage a 
mind that is not even fully formed, that doesnt know the difference 
between right and wrong. 

Chr: It is not to me to justice over masturbation ( right or wrong).
I think with that there is no problem at all.That is better than to 
use others.
I mentioned the homosexuallity of Leadbeater.

>If the spiritual kitchen is too hot he should have left it, not used 
it.

Chr:He is not the only one that uses theosophy to feel authorian and 
one with the crack regiment.

> Sorry, but I really get riled about this subject, he shouldnt have 
inflicted his perversion on others.
>

Are you so sure about that? 
> Cass
> christinaleestemaker


wrote:
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "W.Dallas TenBroeck" 
> wrote:Hallo Dallis;
> Right, everyone has to be his own teacher!!
> 
> So I think, Leadbeater if it is true what there is said,
> his sex.contact with boys; is living in the lower manas.
> 
> If he was of that kind, then maybe he was clearvisioned ( that can 
be 
> on several levels), but not enough to see that he was ethically 
wrong.
> All the people living on that level cannot be spiritual.
> Christina.
> > Jan 11 2005
> > 
> > Dear Friends:
> > 
> > I would concur, and add: --
> > 
> > Each one has to be their own teacher.
> > 
> > Each one has at core of his/her own being: the immortal Spiritual
> > Individual: ATMA-BUDDHI -- the MONAD. 
> > 
> > Its intelligent tool is the mind MANAS. Manas in us does all the 
> work.
> > 
> > "Leaders" on this plane are not needed, but friends and co-
students 
> and
> > inquirers are needed. Each one has to be left free to 
investigate, 
> test and
> > decide their own future by independent choice. Yet we need to be 
> able to
> > share our perplexities and our wonder with our friends and co-
> pupils in this
> > wonderful school of life and of continued opportunity through 
> reincarnation.
> > 
> > But the "ORIGINAL LITERATURE OF THEOSOPHY" is an excellent, and 
an 
> essential
> > tool for all of us to study and test. How else would we recognize 
> THEOSOPHY
> > ?
> > 
> > It is for this reason that I present quotations and reprint the 
> original
> > writings of H, P. B and W. Q. Judge.
> > 
> > Dallas
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: christinalee 
> > Sent: 
> > Subject: Re: Christianity or not...any teacher but the teachings!
> > 
> > After reading this kind of stuff it is good to see that we don't 
> need 
> > the teachers but the Theosophy in its one pure state.
> > 
> > The area of learning and not any teacher at all!!!
> > 
> > Christina.
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