Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00093)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva <silva_cass@y...> wrote:
> Dear Perry
> In this instance, truth searched me out, I didnt go looking for it. My search for truth has led me to take the blindfold off and look at truth as "definite maybe's"
> Cass
> 
Dear Cass,

Of course I am not out to get you over any opinion, and am not even clear on what your opinions are. Your interrogation about my "agenda" and "point"came across as confrontational and unfriendly and echoes past experiences here.

But now in light of your other postings and evident cognitive dissonance I would like to make a supportive comment. As for the trickster issue, indeed HPB is in good company-- Gurdjieff being a more recent example. I suggest that there are different ethical issues involved in the untruths and dishonesty practiced by various figures in Theosophical history. For example:

Was K. lying when he denied all conscious memory of his early life, or was he so traumatized by early and ongoing abuse that he had indeed split off those memories?

Was HPB lying and telling the truth at the same time, through a mixture of messages and metamessages, because bound to secrecy?

Was Besant more a victim of deception, or an accomplice to it?

Those three are on a different plane than self-aggrandizing deliberate schemers like others you mention. IMO, YMMV!

Cheers,

Paul   

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> Perry Coles <perrycoles@y...> wrote:
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> Hi Cass, perhaps these type of issues are good examples of when we
> need to let our search for truth take us where it will and continue
> anyway.
> 
> I think these issues help to hone our antenna and keep us on our toes.
> If HPB CWL AB WQJ GDeP……. are all found to be flawed in some way to a
> greater or lesser degrees should that stoped our search.
> 
> Perhaps its just a reminder that they/we are all very human.
> 
> Perry
> 
> "This night brings darkness to the spirit although it does so in order
> to illumine and enlighten it" 
> 
> St John of the Cross
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> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Cass Silva wrote:
> > I have been digging in the garden of Gethsemane and have discovered
> that C.W.Leadbeater was a pervert, Annie Besant condoned his actions
> for the sake of "the cause," Krishnamurti spent a number of years on
> the verandah outside Leadbeaters cottage in Adyar, Judge is a forger,
> HPB is a prankster and her masters are in fact the Russian/ Sufi group
> "illumaniti" of which she was connected by family and political
> beliefs. That their mission was for political and religious reform in
> the World.
> > 
> > After much gnashing of teeth and flaying of the body, I came to the
> conclusion that if HPB is a prankster, then she shares her joke with 
> Krishna, Lao-Tse, Buddha, Confucius, Zoroaster, Shankaracharya,
> Tirthankaras, Jesus, Pythogoras, Socrates, Plato, Nietzsche,
> Wittgenstein, etc etc.
> > 
> > As far as Leadbeater is concerned if he was impotent, so were his
> teachings.
> > If Annie Besant condoned his actions she was a coward and a fraud.
> > If Judge fabricated lies he is a liar.
> > No wonder the Masters severed all ties - russian or otherwise
> > 
> > For those out there, who may know the answer, why did the Masters
> choose these people to form a teaching of "No Religion higher than
> truth". In the letters it is said that they cannot read any pupil's
> thoughts for karmic reasons, but surely, for something as crucial as
> an attempt to help us poor souls in Kali Yuga, the auras of those
> founders must have been knowledgeable to a Master?
> > 
> > What is there left? The esoteric teachings of Bart Simpson? Yes I
> am angry and disallusioned by it all, and will be joining "Chuck the
> Heretics" group if I can't find a logical explanation to this Kaka (or
> doo doos as Chuck says)
> > 
> > Cass
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