Theos-Talk Archives (January 2005 Message tt00032)

Jan 2, 2005

Indeterminacy -- instability -- maya -- illusion

Dear M ,

As I see our problem, let me express it here: --

When one deals with contrasting pairs there is an implication of the need
for 
both. Noting in the Universe is totally isolated in fact. The contrast of a
basic duality is important, valid and expresses an ongoing relationship.
But it always implies several things: sources, area or volume of space
needed, action or inertia to be observed, interference if any, etc... [ As
an example, consider the need for extreme care in deciding an aim for a
space launch trajectory -- from our moving earth, solar system, to some
other moving body -- imagine the detailed corrections needed to achieve
(eventually) a safe physical landing.]

Usually, any such consideration, implies a third point of view (maybe a
person that is uninvolved -- an Observer or a Perceiver).

This makes a triangle -- which is usually quite stable (speaking broadly of
course).

Any kind of record implies that in the future an event may be reviewed and
re-evaluated. Everything depends on the accuracy and impersonality of the
record.  

KARMA is a word chosen and now used to designate the general Law in Nature
that every effort of any kind, on any plane of substance or energy,
produces a reaction equal and opposite to the forces implied or used.

In a Universe of many energies, even solidity is indefinite, it being merely
the effect of motion under energy on some plane or another, and may or may
not affect other objects on their respective planes of "stabilized
existence."

Physical effects and causative energies are in many case easy to define and
locate as active and present for certain time periods dependent on the
innate nature, properties and qualities of the reagents.  

Our main problem in say, human psychology and sociology is identifying
"moral force."  

What is the essential difference between those many pairs of opposites
called "vices" and "virtues?"

Uncertainty, if any, is always in the person who is reviewing or witnessing,
events, actions, and assigning what appear to be causes to those. Further,
there is a great deal of dependence on the accuracy, perception and the
detachment of such a witness. 

He is not asked to speculate about causes not in evidence. If such
conclusions are asked for, they ought to be most carefully identified. 

For accuracy's sake, such a witness ought to be able to record his/her own
attitude and capacity for independence and fair dealing. If any bias is
found present, internally, it ought to be recorded as a potential deviance
from accuracy. Prejudice (also ignorance) of any kind is such a deviation 

In our world of billions of concurrent motions of various kinds and levels
of energy, it is inevitable that the Observer is at some level involved.
This is inescapable.

To rule out any kind of prejudice or bias, the record and the checking ought
to be conducted over as long a time as possible, so that any cyclic
deviations may be determined. Evaluation of those are a part of the
examination.

In Science when tracking experimental results in new territory, a graphic
representation of successive or inter-related results, gives an area
approaching exactitude. It is however to be noted that no reaction is ever
identical to any other, implying the innate indeterminacy (chaos theory?) of
all relationships. One of the results of such observation is the inevitable
conclusion that at some level every participating entity of whatever size,
composition or distance from others, has an individuality of its own

This can be broadly covered under the term "Maya" or illusion." And all
that those words describe is the instability of life as it ever moves
forward in the company of other decision making individualities. 

Best wishes,

Dallas
 

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mauri [mailto:mhart@i...] 
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 7:45 AM
To: study@b...
Subject: [bn-study] Re: UNCERTAINTY

W.Dallas TenBroeck wrote:
> Jan 1 2005

> The certainty of immutability is
>important, or else we are indeed in a 
>sea of continually wavering indecision

But if karma (in whatever sense) is seen 
as having a hand in such things, to 
begin with ...

I wonder if various forms of
uncertainty, certainty, immutability,
wavering, etc, might be seen as having
a pair of somewhat contrasting points of 
reference, perspective, or poles, in a 
sense, among other things, where such 
perspectives might be seen as:

1. "'essentially intepretive' points of 
reference" in contrast to anything 
"Realer" such as atma-buddhi, in
terms of their (points of reference) 
relation to what might be defined as 
"karma/maya"---ie, "points of reference" 
in terms of where various realities and 
phenomena in objective and subjective 
terms is defined as "essentially 
interpretive," and

2. where various realities, phenomena, 
experiences are "experienced" (note 
quotes) as if they had no "essentially 
interpretive" aspect in their causal, 
intermediating or immediate reality.

I suspect that the latter is where/how 
most people live their lives, and so 
might not have much interest in topics 
such as Theosophy and "just being" as 
they (or "their karma," if you prefer) 
don't have much interest in "reading 
between the lines," in general, beyond 
certain "established/traditional" 
points, and generally prefer various 
forms of "established facts" (note 
quotes) as a means of coping with their 
lack of innate insight towards the 
Reality or Beness that trancends one's 
dualistic (or "essentially dualistic") 
notions and reality.

Speculatively,
Mauri

PS Yes I know that my "note quotes" was 
redundant. But occasionally (if not 
often ...) I tend to get kind of 
desperate around here.
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DTB	Why "desperate?" No one is so hemmed in that they are unable to
think and act freely in some way or another. If such a stasis were possible
death of the physical being would result almost instantly. Motion and
choice are the basis as well as the evidence of life anywhere, be it an atom
or a Galaxy.