Theos-Talk Archives (November 2004 Message tt00181)

Hello Jerry,

Thank you for your response. Your last question sounds like a good one to
take into meditation. I did, and this is what came to me:

I am inclined to think, tentatively, very tentatively, that what we may be
able to do toward the goal of helping others to free themselves from any
addiction, attachment, or relationship is best exemplified by the effort we
continually give toward freeing ourselves from our own individual sets of
addictions, attachments, and relationships. Perhaps we are at yet another
of life's crossroads and our focus on helping others prepares us to help
ourselves by allowing us to see the results of the choices that lay before
us on the path of our own creation.

I would be very interested in your thoughts on these matters.


bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Hejka-Ekins" <jjhe@c...>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World On changing headers, toxicity, etc.


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> Hello Bill,
> Thanks for your comments. See some responses below:
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> Bill Meredith wrote:
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> >Hi Jerry, I have been following your discussion with interest. I have
had
> >similar discussions with Dallas in the past -- one quite recently. I see
> >your points and I understand your view that "the future of Theosophy
> >depends upon this kind of dialoguing." You asked if others might chime
in,
> >so I wish to offer these observations.
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> >Sometimes people are talking about different world-views even though each
is
> >prone to label his/her particular view Theosophy with a capital T or in
> >Dallas's case THEOSOPHY with all capital letters.
> >
> Yes, and in my case I was a bit slow on the uptake. It wasn't until
> after Dallas stated that he defines THEOSOPHY as synonymous with TRUTH,
> that he was talking in terms of a divine universal, while I was
> discussing the texts.
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> >In my opinion, some students may have fallen in love with a particular
> >rendition of Theosophy. In such cases, one's thought processes become
like
> >the well-worn grooves in a phonographic record that lead logically and
> >inevitably to the certainty one chose in the beginning. A lover's
mindset
> >is developed over time. One becomes deaf to the small "scratches" and
minor
> >"skips" in the object of one's adoration. Anyone else who notices the
flaws,
> >becomes at once out of touch with "reality," and more importantly, not
> >harmonious with the words and music flowing logically and inevitably
> >through the lover's phonographic mind.
> >
> Yes, well said. I've noticed that when someone talks to me about
> Theosophical teachings, by the time they get to the third sentence I
> have already identified which Theosophical organization they have
> dedicated themselves to. Of course, names live Purucker, Crosbie and
> Besant are giveaways, but also so are phrases like, "Original
> Teachings", "Jesus the Avatar", "Guruparampara", and "Nirvanic Plane."
> Students have a way of becoming text bound and falling into jargons,
> which, as you are saying, are repeated until they lose touch with the
> meanings.
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> >The machinery can be bumped, but the jiggle seems only momentary before
the
> >diamond point settles into that well-traveled path again.
> >
> Great metaphor!
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> >In my discussions with various lovers of Theosophy I find that they
> >"present" similar to lovers of Jesus or lovers of Nature or lovers of
> >NASCAR. I have at times been able to embrace the thought processes of
such
> >lovers to satisfy my own desire to see the world from their view. In so
> >doing I have felt myself on a roller coaster ride of thought that while
> >exhilarating the first few times around the course quickly begins to
settle
> >into a repetitive cycle that winds in grooves round and round to the same
> >logical and inevitable certainty again and again and again.
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> >
> Yes, and what can we do to help people to free themselves from their
> "groovy" prison (pun intended), so that they can begin to use the
> information as a means to expand their understanding? On the other
> hand, perhaps some people are so comfortable in their prisons that it
> might be an act of cruelty to try to push them out into the open air.
> --j
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