Theos-Talk Archives (November 2004 Message tt00136)

Hi Jerry, I have been following your discussion with interest. I have had
similar discussions with Dallas in the past -- one quite recently. I see
your points and I understand your view that "the future of Theosophy
depends upon this kind of dialoguing." You asked if others might chime in,
so I wish to offer these observations.

Sometimes people are talking about different world-views even though each is
prone to label his/her particular view Theosophy with a capital T or in
Dallas's case THEOSOPHY with all capital letters.

In my opinion, some students may have fallen in love with a particular
rendition of Theosophy. In such cases, one's thought processes become like
the well-worn grooves in a phonographic record that lead logically and
inevitably to the certainty one chose in the beginning. A lover's mindset
is developed over time. One becomes deaf to the small "scratches" and minor
"skips" in the object of one's adoration. Anyone else who notices the flaws,
becomes at once out of touch with "reality," and more importantly, not
harmonious with the words and music flowing logically and inevitably
through the lover's phonographic mind.

The machinery can be bumped, but the jiggle seems only momentary before the
diamond point settles into that well-traveled path again.

In my discussions with various lovers of Theosophy I find that they
"present" similar to lovers of Jesus or lovers of Nature or lovers of
NASCAR. I have at times been able to embrace the thought processes of such
lovers to satisfy my own desire to see the world from their view. In so
doing I have felt myself on a roller coaster ride of thought that while
exhilarating the first few times around the course quickly begins to settle
into a repetitive cycle that winds in grooves round and round to the same
logical and inevitable certainty again and again and again.

I shudder at the thought.

Bill




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Hejka-Ekins" <jjhe@c...>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World On changing headers, toxicity, etc.


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> Hello Paul,
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> OK, I'll change the header when I reply to Dallas' last. But I have no
> idea how to go about changing the headers on the previous posts. Perhaps
> only Eldon can do that, and I suggest that you ask him.
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> I would choose the title "Theosophy in the Post Modern Generation" or
> something like that. Would that title work for you? This title actually
> describes the subject I'm trying to get Dallas to respond to, but I've
> had less success than I had anticipated, though I still have hopes. I
> think he is really trying to figure out what the heck I'm talking about.
> Perhaps others will chime in with ideas and observations. I really
> would like to explore this subject and get a variety of views. I would
> even say that the future of Theosophy depends upon this kind of
> dialoguing.
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> Regarding libel: I don't think Dallas is so much out to defame you, as
> he is vested in protecting his notions about the Masters and HPB from
> other interpretations that might threaten his. I think he has clearly
> made his point that he is deeply offended by conclusions you came to in
> TMR and would like someone to come forth and prove them wrong. This, of
> course is the very modernist view that I'm trying to get him to see
> through and get past: i.e. that there is the right view and the wrong
> view, and there is nothing outside of that binary. I think most
> readers of these posts can easily see through his reasoning, and
> therefore are not going take any of Dallas' defaming remarks about you
> very seriously. This is all a generational thing. I believe that each
> generation has something to learn from the other, if we make the effort
> to do so. For instance, Dallas' point of identifying and making use of
> source material is well taken, and something many students of the PM
> generation need to learn. I'm not thinking of you in this example.
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> The bottom line is that Dallas' objections to you and TMR are his
> problem, and there is nothing to be gained for you to make it yours.
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> Best
> --j
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