Theos-Talk Archives (October 2004 Message tt00331)

Oct 20 2004

Re: HPB and Adept

Dear Zakk

I Thank you for what you have written.  

Let me add some other pieces of evidence. Of course it may mean nothing to
some people

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On H. P. B'S MISSION

A report given in 1893 (2 years after her physical death)


From: "A Letter" - By Sri S. K. Lahiri, FTS, Lahore
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[ NOTE : HPB's body died May 8th 1891. This letter was circulated by WQJ
& AB privately. ]  			

Synopsis:--

After the death of HPB's body, one of the Hindu members of the TS, B. K.
Lahiri of Lahore, knowing that a brahmin Yogi was going on a pilgrimage into
the Himalayas in 1892-93, asked him, if he should meet one of the Mahatmas,
to ask of him what the destiny of the TS would be, so far as India was
concerned, and, as HPB had departed, whether another "Teacher" would be sent
to India to help the Theosophists left there.

It must be mentioned that at the time of this commission, the brahmin Yogi
did not know about the TS or of HPB.

When this pilgrim returned some time later from the Himalayas and again met
the Hindu FTS (Lahiri), the first thing he said was:


"Go on! Go on! Make yourselves fit! You have much to do! Go on!"

Next he said he felt thrice blessed in meeting one of the Mahatmas, and, in
answer to his questions received these indications (as the Mahatma was under
a vow of silence and did not speak) :

"The TS was Their work.

"It was established to change the present current of the human mind and to
destroy materialism (Nastikaism) in the world generally.

"He, the Mahatma, was a member of the Circle, and had been present when HPB
was sent out by her Master into the world to carry out Their Work.

"He was of a very high degree. Her Master was superior even to him in the
Circle. She also belonged to a high degree, and, it was not proper to ask
who she is, or where she is now.

"Col. Olcott was rated a good man, but no yogi. He is entirely different
from HPB, and his name does not deserve to be mentioned in the same breath
as Hers.

" HPB's mission had been successful. They would not send anyone further to
India for some time. The Work had to be carried on by those already in the
TS using the instructions already given to them, and it was up to them to
see that they "keep it (the link ?) intact."

Since his return this brahmin Yogi views the potential of the TS in a
different light:  

"Go on! Go on, and go on! There is much for you to do; fit yourselves; I
venerate the memory of HPB, that she has done so much good for humanity and
for India, such as was done in the past by Buddha, and by Shankaracharya.  

The TS was established by the Mahatmas for certain purposes. "Go on! Go
on! And work, and work!"


The Hindu FTS then asked the pilgrim if he could convey this report to those
who worked in the West for the TS.  

His answer was that the Mahatma had not told him to keep it a secret, but to
reveal this only to those who are worthy of receiving it. 

Accordingly B. K. Lahiri had sent a letter to Mr. Judge and to Annie Besant
for them to distribute to those worthy of seeing it, and who would be
inspired by it.

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I send this to you to read, and of course the real evidence (to me) of her
eminence in occult matters is the following:

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AUTHORSHIP OF SECRET DOCTRINE


A good deal has been said about the writing of Isis Unveiled, and later of
the Secret Doctrine, both by H. P. Blavatsky. A writer in the spiritualistic
journals took great pains to show how many books the first work seems to
quote from, and the conclusion to be arrived at after reading his diatribes
is that H.P.B. had an enormous library at her disposal, and of course in her
house, for she never went out, or that she had agents at great expense
copying books, or, lastly, that by some process or power not known to the
world was able to read books at a distance, as, for instance, in the Vatican
at Rome and the British Museum. 

The last is the fact. She lived in a small flat when writing the first book
and had very few works on hand, all she had being of the ordinary common
sort. She herself very often told how she gained her information as to
modern books. No secret was made of it, for those who were with her saw day
after day that she could gaze with ease into the astral light and glean
whatever she wanted. But in the early days she did not say precisely to the
public that she was in fact helped in that work by the Masters, who gave
from time to time certain facts she could not get otherwise. 

The Secret Doctrine, however, makes no disguise of the real help, and she
asserts, as also many of us believe, that the Masters had a hand in that
great production. The letters sent to Mr. Sinnett formed the ground for
Esoteric Buddhism, as was intended, but as time went on it was seen that
some more of the veil had to be lifted and certain misconceptions cleared
up; hence the Secret Doctrine was written, and mostly by the Masters
themselves, except that she did the arranging of it.

For some time it was too much the custom of those who had received at the
hands of H.P.B. words and letters from her Masters to please themselves with
the imagination that she was no more in touch with the original fount, and
that, forsooth, these people could decide for themselves what was from her
brain and what from the Masters. 

But it is now time to give out a certificate given when the Secret Doctrine
was being written, a certificate signed by the Masters who have given out
all that is new in our theosophical books. It was sent to one who had then a
few doubts, and at the same time copies were given from the same source to
others for use in the future, which is now. The first certificate runs thus:


"I wonder if this note of mine is worthy of occupying a select spot with the
documents reproduced, and which of the peculiarities of the "Blavatskian"
style of writing it will be found to most resemble? The present is simply to
satisfy the Doctor that "the more proof given the less believed." Let him
take my advice and not make these two documents public. It is for his own
satisfaction the undersigned is happy to assure him that the Secret
Doctrine, when ready, will be the triple production of [here are the names
of one of the Masters and of H.P.B.] and _______ most humble servant,
[signed by the other.]


On the back of this was the following, signed by the Master who is mentioned
in the above:


"If this can be of any use or help to _____, though I doubt it, I, the
humble undersigned Faquir, certify that the Secret Doctrine is dictated to
[name of H.P.B.], partly by myself and partly by my brother ______."


A year after this, certain doubts having arisen in the minds of individuals,
another letter from one of the signers of the foregoing was sent and reads
as follows. As the prophecy in it has come true, it is now the time to
publish it for the benefit of those who know something of how to take and
understand such letters. For the outside it will all be so much nonsense.

"The certificate given last year saying the Secret Doctrine would be when
finished the triple production of [H.P.B.'s name], ________, and myself was
and is correct, although some have doubted not only the facts given in it
but also the authenticity of the message in which it was contained. Copy
this and also keep the copy of the aforesaid certificate. You will find them
both of use on the day when you shall, as will happen without your asking,
receive from the hands of the very person to whom the certificate was given,
the original for the purpose of allowing you to copy it; and then you can
verify the correctness of this presently forwarded copy. And it may then be
well to indicate to those wishing to know what portions in the Secret
Doctrine have been copied by the pen of [H.P.B.'s name] into its pages,
though without quotation marks, from my own manuscript and perhaps from
______, though the last is more difficult from the rarity of his known
writing and greater ignorance of his style. All this and more will be found
necessary as time goes on, but for which you are well qualified to wait."

ONE OF THE STAFF	PATH, April, 1893
 
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Apart from the above, here are some more thoughts that you may consider


H. P. BLAVATSKY died May 8, 1891. As a person she ceased to be on that date.
All that survives is a name, a memory, one of countless other names and
memories, the remains of a generation almost extinguished and fast fading
into the indistinguishable monument we call the past. She is now a mere
episode in written and unwritten History -- the occidental term for the
Skandhas of the human race and the personal human being. As a body, as a
mind, as an actor, she has played her part, passed from the stage and been
replaced.

But the play goes on. The great drama of life and death, of good and evil
fortune, is not of yesterday and to-day only but of all time, and each new
person, each incoming generation must perforce become both spectator and
actor in the Mysteries. 

Like many another, H. P. Blavatsky was one who purported to speak from
behind the screen of time, to bear witness and to teach of things hidden
from mortal sight, even that of the wisest among us. What are the
credentials of H. P. Blavatsky, Messenger of the Masters of Wisdom, Elder
Brothers of the human race, to us Their younger brothers in the School of
Life? 

Nearest to us of all such Messengers, the claims or credentials of H. P.
Blavatsky are of vital moment to all searchers for truth and are more
readily and searchingly possible of examination. 

To determine between claims and credentials is the prime necessity of the
student of life and action. As matters stand from generation to generation
the average searcher for truth is bewildered by the cloud of witnesses, by
the apparently hopeless contradictions in their testimony, by his own
inability to distinguish the true from the false in witnesses and in their
testimony. 

The experience of the race is that of a continual alteration and alternation
of opinion. We reach a decision one day, one generation, only to reverse it
the next, though all men are aware that the essential facts of life never
vary, that Truth must be in its own nature changeless. 

Unless we are prepared to admit, and to ourselves act upon the admission,
not only that Truth exists but that we are capable of discerning the truth
in all things, we but stultify our Self in giving any attention at all to
the search for Truth as reflected in such mighty subjects as philosophy,
religion, ethics, science. 

If we contradict the terms of our own inmost Being, if we render our Self
foolish, incompetent to prove all things and to hold fast to that which is
true, if we allege our Self insane and incapable of determining Truth, who
or what can validate the Truth to us, can make us reasonable? 

But, granting that we are "open to reason," it must follow that we are
bewildered, that we err and wander in our search for Truth, not because
credentials and evidences are lacking to us, but because we do not examine
them in the light of reason and experience. 

The all-inclusive credential of H.P.B. as messenger and witness is that she
addressed herself exclusively to the intelligence of mankind -- that is to
say, to the universal experience, the common sense, the innate reason of all
men, therefore of every man. Her teachings were put forward as in no sense a
revelation.

She appealed to the Truth in us, to the truth as known to us, to our
capacity to assimilate additional truth -- to what the Masters have in
common with us, to what all men have in common with the Masters, as the
bridge of progress, the Antaskarana of spiritual, as of all other evolution.


What she knew that is to us unknown, she put forward as a theory, as a
working hypothesis which every man is invited to examine, test, verify for
himself, step by step, proceeding from the known to the unknown. 

Compare and contrast this credential with those submitted by the revealers,
the prophets, the priests of every religion and of every sect. 

Always it is a revelation of one sort or another from a higher to a lower
being -- a revelation which demands belief, which in its very nature is
impossible of proof or disproof by the ones to whom it is offered, and which
promises rewards or threatens penalties to those who do or do not accept it
out of hand on the ipse dixit of the revealer. 

Compare and contrast the credential of H.P.B. with the "working hypotheses"
so freely offered and accepted in modern "exact" science -- working
hypotheses which do not "work," and of which there is not a single one
submitted by any scientist that other equally eminent scientists have not
exposed as faulty, incomplete, contradicted by known facts. 

Not a theory or hypothesis propounded by H. P. Blavatsky has ever been upset
philosophically, logically, historically or evidentially. Hundreds and
thousands have tried it, as invited first and foremost by H.P.B. herself. 

The most that any have achieved has been a "Scotch verdict": "Not proven."
This is an admission of her impregnability; a confession of their own
inability to impeach her testimony after rigid cross-examination. 

Invariably the religious or scientific investigator of the credential of
H.P.B. has tested her theories in the light of his own. If her propositions
agreed with his, well and good; if not, they must be false or erroneous,
"not proved," -- that is, "not approved." 

Assume for one moment that her theories are true, and the inverted logic of
these investigators is instantly self-evident. 

They did not, and they do not, compare and contrast theory with theory,
hypothesis with hypothesis, for relative consistency and synthesis, for
relative accord with known facts. 

It stands to-day as it has stood from the beginning; no known fact conflicts
with or discredits a single theorem advanced by H.P.B., while her
propositions do shed the light of reason on all the problems of life, all
the missing links in science and religion; do bring into order and relation,
into ethical and moral purposiveness, all the otherwise bewildering and
confused mass of the facts which constitute the experience of the race and
the individual; do point out the causes of those failures and miseries which
our religions and our sciences seek in vain to explain or alleviate. 

The individual and personal credential of H. P. Blavatsky to every sincere
searcher for truth is the spiritual fact that her mission is educative. She
was and is a Teacher of truth. It is through the Hall of Learning alone that
we can hope to arrive at Wisdom on our own account. 

Not miracle, not prayer, not revelation, not even the devotion of implicit
faith can ever bring any of us one step nearer to the Masters of Wisdom, to
real Knowledge. Her life, her labor, her writings, constitute a School of
Life, into which may enter whosoever will to acquire instruction in the
mysteries of Self; instruction in Self-knowledge, Self-discipline,
Self-control -- and prove out to himself and for himself the same credential
of The Wisdom. 


Best wishes,


Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Zakk 
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:32 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Zakk's "if there is interest in this area".


Dallas,

---I am familiar with the state being referred to. That she stated
"are happily saved" indicates she was not an Adept.

I was attempting to see if it was noticed by others.----

There is a quote below, which is a statement made by HPB.

The statement I am referring to is :

"I am conscious day and night, and have much to do and to endure in both
these existences from which you, being half-conscious, are happily saved."

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DTB	As I see it: HPB was an adept and as such her Mind was able to
remain fully conscious all the time and act as she directed it.  


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