Theos-Talk Archives (October 2004 Message tt00283)

Netemara,

Thanks for your comments. I quote them again
below and then below them I append a remark or two.

First your comments:

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I can only garner what I know about the TS master
from her writings, TMR, this life and psychic 
impressions and they amount to a few things 
which I still have not completely categorized and one
of those mysteries is that of Master Morya.

I came to see him as a reflection of HPB when 
I kept hearing "Less is More" that phrase equivocated 
HPB with MM for me. Then I also believe that she 
would often attribute visions or clear dreams and
write them as outer physical events, that might 
also account for some of the inconsistencies. 
Then there is the idea that she was well on 
her way to being a Master and took the liberty 
of hiding it through such a personage as M Morya 
(my strongest view).

I also believe that she encountered at least ONE being who did
appear to her and she did spend time with in Tibet or India and that
was the "Real Master" thus I believe that there was perhaps one
person other than HPB who would be classified as a Master. It is a
circuitous route in thinking for sure and a tunnel I am not quite at
the end of but that is what I have put together so far.

In sum, Morya could have been HPB's alter, higher ego and she hid
herself through him. There was at least ONE master present but it
was not MM nor perhaps anyone who has been thus far identified. That
the real lesson is that they were human beings living at the time of
HPB and that she knew them as such.
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I am somewhat unclear as to what you are actually telling
us.

But concerning your summary remark which reads:

"Morya could have been HPB's alter, higher ego and she hid
herself through him."

I would ask you and other readers to consider what you have
said in light of the testimony BELOW.

Are you saying that in these encounters, Olcott and others
were actually talking to HPB's "alter, HIGHER EGO"?

That in other words, the Master was not a physical human being
but only HPB's [non-physical??]"alter, higher ego"?

In the first case listed BELOW, Olcott says that "This same Brother 
once visited me in the flesh at Bombay, coming in full day light, 
and on horseback....My voice and his had been heard by those in the 
other bungalow, but only H.P.B. and I, and the servant saw him." 

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CASE B: MORYA COMES ON HORSEBACK TO BOMBAY IN JULY, 1879 TO VISIT 
OLCOTT

Olcott wrote:

"This same Brother once visited me in the flesh at Bombay, coming in 
full day light, and on horseback. He had me called by a servant into 
the front room of H.P.B.'s bungalow (she being at the time in the 
other bungalow talking with those who were there). He [Morya] came to 
scold me roundly for something I had done in T.S. matters, and as 
H.P.B. was also to blame, he telegraphed to her to come, that is to 
say, he turned his face and extended his finger in the direction of 
the place she was in. She came over at once with a rush, and seeing 
him dropped to her knees and paid him reverence. My voice and his had 
been heard by those in the other bungalow, but only H.P.B. and I, and 
the servant saw him." [Extract from a letter written by Colonel Henry 
S. Olcott to A.O. Hume on Sept. 30, 1881. Quoted in Hints On Esoteric 
Theosophy, No. 1, 1882, p. 80.] 

"[I] had visit in body of the Sahib [Morya]!! [He] sent Babula to my 
room to call me to H.P.B.'s bungalow, and there we had a most 
important private interview...." [Extract from Olcott's handwritten 
diary for Tuesday, July 15, 1879.] 

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CASE C: MORYA COMES TO BOMBAY ON AUGUST 4, 1880

Olcott writes that on August 4, 1880:

". . . a Mahatma visited H.P.B., and I was called in to see him 
before he left. He dictated a long and important letter to an 
influential friend of ours at Paris, and gave me important hints 
about the management of current Society affairs. I left him [the 
Mahatma] sitting in H.P.B.'s room...." [Old Diary Leaves, Volume II, 
1972 printing, p. 208] 

Olcott's actual handwritten diary for August 4, 1880 reads: 

"M [orya] here this evening & wrote to Fauvety of Paris. He says 5000 
English troops killed in Afghanistan in the recent battle. . . ." 

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CASE F: OLCOTT'S ACCOUNT OF MEETING MORYA IN CEYLON 

Olcott wrote:

"...on the night of that day [Sept. 27th, 1881] I was awakened from 
sleep by my Chohan (or Guru, the Brother [Morya] whose immediate 
pupil I am)....He made me rise, sit at my table and write from his 
dictation for an hour or more. There was an expression of anxiety 
mingled with sternness on his noble face, as there always is when the 
matter concerns H.P.B., to whom for many years he has been at once a 
father and a devoted guardian. . . ." [Quoted in Hints On Esoteric 
Theosophy, 
No. 1, 1882, pp. 82-83.] 

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CASE D: OLCOTT'S ACCOUNT OF SEEING MORYA AT BOMBAY WITH SIX OTHER 
WITNESSES 

"We were sitting together in the moonlight about 9 o'clock upon the 
balcony which projects from the front of the bungalow. Mr. Scott was 
sitting facing the house, so as to look through the intervening 
verandah and the library, and into the room at the further side. This 
latter apartment was brilliantly lighted. The library was in partial 
darkness, thus rendering objects in the farther room more distinct. 
Mr. Scott suddenly saw the figure of a man step into the space, 
opposite the door of the library; he was clad in the white dress of a 
Rajput, and wore a white turban. Mr. Scott at once recognized him 
from his resemblance to a portrait [of Morya] in Col. Olcott's 
possession. Our attention was then drawn to him, and we all saw him 
most distinctly. He walked towards a table, and afterwards turning 
his face towards us, walked back out of our sight...when we reached 
the room he was gone....Upon the table, at the spot where he had been 
standing, lay a letter addressed to one of our number. The 
handwriting was identical with that of sundry notes and letters 
previously received from him...." 

The above statement is signed by: 

"Ross Scott, Minnie J.B. Scott, H.S. Olcott, H.P. Blavatsky, M. 
Moorad Ali Beg, Damodar K. Mavalankar, and Bhavani Shankar Ganesh 
Mullapoorkar." 

(Quoted from Hints On Esoteric Theosophy, No. 1, 1882, pp. 75-76.) 

>From Olcott's diary for Jan. 5, 1882, 

"Evening. Moonlight. On balcony, HPB, Self, Scott & wife, Damodar....
[etc]...M[orya] appeared in my office. First seen by Scott, then 
me....Scott clearly saw M's face....M left note for me on table in 
office by which he stood...." 
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Daniel