Theos-Talk Archives (October 2004 Message tt00156)

Daniel,
thank you, too for your detailed answer.
I am too overwhelmed.

I regard your answer and the quotes as a supplement not as a
refutation of my opinion of Judge's occult status and I
understand you that way, too.
If otherwise please let me know.

It may have been for that reason that HPB handed out her
occult signet ring to him and giving Annie Besant, who was
still under trial whether she will be able to combat the
arising delusions, only a precipitated, perfect copy (with
the exception of the locket and the occult powers).

BTW, when I read on Katinka's homepage
http://www.katinkahesselink.net/his/rings.htm of the loss of
two memorabilias in the Adyar HQ, I wondered whether this is
a sign from above.
It is said that Adyar was given a trial period up to the
year 2000, one of the trials being the Judge letters in
Adyar.

Is the removing of this two other rings an omen?
An answer from the Masters of Wisdom and Compassion that
they do not agree with the Adyar policy to hide the truth
from the members and public?
Why did they never found the courage the last decades to
publish them?
Even the 1900 letter was partly published by Adyar. Does
that mean the content of Judge's letter is more delicate?

Frank


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 8:37 PM
Subject: Theos-World Judge "even higher than" Blavatsky??




Frank,

Thanks for all your various replies.

I will comment on some of them from time
to time in the next day or so as I find
time.

You wrote in one of your postings:

"We know that the detailed occult status of
Judge was a secret at HPB's time and she never
revealed to the lay chelas his high occult
status, which was from one point of view even
higher than hers."

Your phrase "from one point of view" is
interesting but puzzling.

You believe that from this point of view,
Judge's occult status was "even higher than hers."

I am not at all certain exactly what you
mean by this but readers of this might
want to keep in mind what Madame Blavatsky
actually wrote to Judge in February 1887:

"Yes, there are 'two persons' in me. But
what of that? So there are two in you; only mine is
conscious and
responsible - and yours is not. . . . "

YOURS IS NOT....

[Quoted from The Theosophical Forum, July 1932, p. 226]

As noted above, this statement by H.P.B. was written in
February 1887
several months after she had written in 1886 the following
to Judge:

"The trouble with you is *that YOU DO NOT KNOW the great
change* that
came to pass in you a few years ago. Others have
occasionally their
*astrals* changed and replaced by those of Adepts (as of
Elementaries) & they influence the *outer*, & the *higher*
man. With
you, it is the NIRMANAKAYA not the `astral' that blended
with your
astral. Hence the dual nature & fighting. . . . "

caps added to "you do not know."

This 1886 statement by HPB has been usually misunderstood by
Blavatsky students.

One key to understanding this 1886 statement is to be found
in
another comment by HPB to Judge:

". . . unless you consent, you force me to a miserable life
and a
MISERABLE DEATH, with the idea preying upon my mind that
there is an
end of Theosophy. That for several years I will not be able
to help
it on, and steer its course, because I will have to act in a
body
which will have to be assimilated to the *Nirmanakaya*,
because even
in occultism there are such things as a failure and a
retardment and
a misfit...."

HPB's references to "Nirmanakaya" may be better understood
by what
Judge himself says in two letters:

Sept. 3, 1889: "My dear [James] Pryse, ...Your vision that
when you
looked at HPB and saw no old woman but a *God* is correct.
You were
privileged to see the Truth---For the Being in that old body
called
HP Blavatsky is a mighty Adept working on his own plan in
the
world...."

Sept. 9, 1889: "But as to HPB you cannot judge her by any
rule. There
is a great Adept there and he uses that body for His own
purposes ,
both for use and for trial of others."

Again students might want to compare Franks' statement about
Judge being "even higher than" Blavatsky with what the
Masters
M. and K.H. wrote about H.P. Blavatsky:

"[H.P.Blavatsky is] . . . a woman of most exceptional and
wonderful
endowments. Combined with them she had strong personal
defects, but
just as she was, there was no second to her living fit for
this work.
We sent her to America...."

"This state of hers [H.P.B.'s] is intimately connected with
her
occult training in Tibet, and due to her being sent out
alone into
the world to gradually prepare the way for others. After
nearly a
century of fruitless search, our chiefs had to avail
themselves of
the only opportunity to send out a European body. . . ."

". . . We employ agents - the best available. Of these for
the past
thirty years the chief has been the personality known as
H.P.B. to
the world (but otherwise to us). Imperfect and very
troublesome, no
doubt, she proves to some, nevertheless, there is no
likelihood of
our finding a better one for years to come. . . . With
occult matters
she has everything to do. . . . She is our direct agent. . .
. "

Food for thought.

Daniel
http://blavatskystudycenter.org
















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