Theos-Talk Archives (October 2004 Message tt00117)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Perry Coles" <perrycoles@y...> 
wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> I think the points Steve Stubbs made are very important.
> One of the problems I had with the Radhasoami tradition as with 
many 
> devotional traditions is it tends toward blind devotion in the 
Guru 

True, but this is par for the course in terms of Bhakti yog as a 
path unto itself. It takes the focus off the outer self and one is 
really seeking the inner true man. No truer words written by HPB 
than the object of thy search is thyself. 

The guru is merely the external reminder, or should be.


> and also puts far to much focus on "inner experiences" with light 
and 
> sound.

Not true. IT is in the books but actually the gurus discourage 
discussion of same. It is a fact that they point out, which has now 
been substantiated by physicists that light is derived from sound 
and that sound does happen in outer space, where there is no medium 
for it.


> As you pointed out I think quite rightly is that these psychic 
> whistles and bangs can be a mere distractions as HPB warns about 
as 
> well in the VOS.

They are, but can something (the real thing) that is so rare really 
be a distraction? Or is the distraction truly our running after 
these things? Is that what she meant? Not the things or events of 
sounds or seeing light but our attitude towards them? 

The middle path is still relevant here.

> The psychic very often gets confused with the spiritual.

I make no distinction, can't speak for anyone else.


> This is why for me the description of the "voice" being "heard" in 
7 
> different fashions would be more a metaphor as far as spiritual 
path 
> work is concerned.
> But that doesn't mean that "hearing sounds" and "seeing lights" 
ect 
> may not be a part of our own experiences on the spiritual journey, 
> the problem is having undue concern and attachment to such 
> experiences and confusing it with "spiritual awareness".

I agree but see it slightly differently.


> Spiritual awareness is reflected selfless action and has nothing 
to 
> do with psychic visions or experiences.

These are but tools of the spiritually aware. Would you separate the 
psychic evidence in Jesus' work just because it is not spiritual as 
you say?


> In a way I am glad I haven't experienced that much of a psychic 
> nature as I think it can be a big trap for the personality .imo
> 
> Perry

It is something which is developed, but it is also part of the 
Atlantean nature. Maybe you've been spared that!!

Netemara


> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, samblo@c... wrote:
> > Leon,
> > Thanks for your comments and POV. I meant due to earlier 
posts 
> on the 
> > Shabd and Sphuratta relative to the Sikh sector to search for an 
> Author that of 
> > course I was reminded of who research sound and vibration, 
Geometry 
> underlying 
> > Nature. His name is Hans Jenny. He Authored in 1972 a work 
> named "Cymatics." 
> > Here is his website:
> > 
> > Cymatics a study of Wave Phenomena by Hans Jenny
> > http://www.cymatics.com
> > 
> > Naam: Sound Current- Spanda Sphuratta (a survey of the 
Traditions)
> > http://www.santmat-diewahrheit.de/englisch/kirpal/naam/13.htm 
> > 
> > Drew Hempal ~ sound-Current non-Dualism Part 1
> > http://www.lightmind.com/library/hempal/sound-current.html
> > 
> > The Mysticism of Sound -The Sufi Message of Hazrat Inayat Khan
> > http://murshid.net/mysticism-of-sound/abstractsound.html
> > 
> > The Sound of Silence ( Modern Physics integrated with Tradition)
> > http://home22.inet.tele.dk/hightower/octave2.htm
> > 
> > Thirty Stanzas - Vasubandu - Alaya Vijnana
> > http;//www.buddhistinformation.com/thirty_stanzas.htm
> > 
> > John
> > PS: Glad to see you restored your 
> system. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]