Theos-Talk Archives (October 2004 Message tt00073)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "kpauljohnson" 
<kpauljohnson@y...> wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> I've learned from Perry that he has some experience with the
> Radhasoami movement, and know that Netemara is or was a member of 
one
> branch of it.

Hey Paul, yes, that's right. I have in a limited manner returned to 
the RS practices. Why? Because I like to leave things for a while to 
see if they have true spiritual validity. For me at least I've 
found that it does. 

Another reason is that I am investigating the "physical" aspects of 
this spiritual experience in terms of theoretical and experiential 
physics as explored in the laboratory physical body.

To that end I've written yet another unpublished and incomplete 
manuscript, although it has a lot of flesh on its bones. I am 
beginning to feel like Emily Dickenson and that all my writings will 
be found after I die--just kidding.

But this Paul is a HUGE question that you raise. I've been 
meditating for nearly 30 years and only once can I say that I've 
heard the real bell sound. It is nothing like anything you've ever 
heard before, it is unlike that white noise that comes with the run 
of the mill meditation times. Recall that light is produced from 
sound on the lower levels then it reverses itself on the higher 
planes. Also this all involves something I just mentioned on 
TTT "The power of ascension" is gained as one masters meditation.

I've put a lot of my questions to the "hated" Kabir aka Michael 
Martin because he does know a lot despite his bad reputation. He 
advised me that much of what I was experiencing was from the higher 
planes especiallly the drum or kettle drum sound that is like the 
rumbling of clouds and is often accompanied by huge clouds which 
look much like the formation of stars that NASA has now put out.

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Daniel was the first to recognize that the "Suby Ram"
> of the Mahatma letters was in fact Salig Ram, a Radhasoami guru. I
> was, AFAIK, the first to recognize that the meditation technique of
> the Edgar Cayce Readings was derived from his contact with Bhagat
> Singh Thind, a Radhasoami guru who came to the US and established a
> following in New York City.
> 
> The subject I'd like to raise for discussion is the meditation
> technique 

By technique do you mean listening for the sound or the bhajan 
posture which is as old as man himself? 

It is a difficult practice to be sure, in that it takes resolve to 
get and to stay in that posture, the mind resists it terrribly.


that involves hearing the music of the spheres (Cayce), aka
> the Voice of the Silence (HPB), aka the Sound Current 
(Radhasoami). 
> This is variously described in the literature of the three 
movements
> and the methods of preparing to hear it vary. As does the supposed
> ultimate goal-- attunement with the cosmic harmony according to 
Cayce,
> a series of progressive openings to higher planes according to HPB 
and
> Radhasoami (henceforth RS.) RS explicitly, and HPB more 
implicitly,
> also endorse this hearing of the Sound Current/Voice of the 
Silence as


I think the end is the same although the means may appear to vary.

What we experience as variations is what I am working on to 
standardize what is being reported by actual physicists and what 
meditators report -- I find them to be the exact same experience. I 
can't give away my premise too much but suffice it to say there is a 
real and same experience base and it is that which occurs when one 
actually dies or leaves the body both in NDE or the real thing.

Netemara


> a method of making contact with Masters. In its most extreme form,
> the technique is endorsed by the modern Eckankar movement as a 
method
> of contacting the mythical Eck Masters invented by Paul Twitchell. 
> The fact that these are fictional characters does not prevent tens 
of
> thousands of Eckists from meeting them on the "inner planes" using 
the
> Sound Current method. The readiness and ease with which Eckists 
meet
> Fubbi Quantz, Rebazar Tars, et al "on the inner" suggests doubting 
any
> claims RS members or Theosophists make about meeting historical (or
> semi-historical, semi-mythical) figures by the same technique.
> 
> From my first experience with the Cayce version of this method, I 
did
> indeed hear the ringing sound described in the readings, and felt
> uplifted by it. But after exploring the subject I learned that 
there
> is a baseline level of stimulation of the auditory nerve, and in 
the
> absence of distracting noise everyone who listens carefully will 
hear
> the high pitched tone that is produced when our brain processes 
this
> baseline stimulation. Hence, it's a physical and not a paranormal
> phenomenon to hear this.
> 
> But is it that simple? Even after having the experience 
deconstructed
> by physiology, I still find it useful in meditation. If one is
> focusing on that high-pitched tone, it silences the "inner talking"
> Gurdjieff discusses as being a constant distraction from any
> transcendence of our mechanical and repetitive consciousness. Even
> without imagining it to be the music of the spheres, or the means 
of
> traveling to see Masters, one can experience this inner sound as a
> means of shutting out the sounds and thoughts of everyday reality 
and
> sensing the alternate reality of something normally
> invisible/inaudible. Reason enough to make it worthwhile as a
> meditation technique.
> 
> Two questions, then. How real or imaginary is the Sound 
Current/Voice
> of the Silence/Music of the Spheres as described by
> Radhasoami/Theosophy/Cayce respectively? And does this matter in
> terms of whether or not it is useful, productive, advisable as a
> meditation technique?
> 
> Paul Johnson