Theos-Talk Archives (October 2004 Message tt00031)

Hallo Dallas and all,

My views are:

1. Original teachings vs. moderation
Dallas wrote:
"I see many who desire "something new." Why? When they have yet to master
to
"original teachings?" Without a secure foundation what is to be achieved?"

I have answered on this view of yours a few weeks back.
In the email was a short story: "THE KNOTS STANDING IN THE WAY OF THE
TEXTILES"
Try read the whole of my short email:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/18473
What the email said was basically, that you can NOT easily break fossilized
thought-patterns
within theosophical groups without introducing "something new". But this new
stuff,
has to effectively break the fossilized thought-patterns and of course not
create mere
emotional tribalism and social ritualism within any group or organization.
(The younger Seekers problem is however quite often not to confuse
emotionalism as being true spirituality.)

We agree that Theosophy as Blavatsky taught it was what is called AtmaVidya.
(Here I would like to refer to the notes of Bowen
http://www.theosophical.ca/SecDoctrineStudy.htm)
But without understanding the above, you will not be able to progress very
far.
That was also why Blavatsky quite often referred to the Mystery Language
and the Seven Keys in the book The Secret Doctrine and elsewhere in her
writings.
But I agree, that those of us who really understand the content of The
Secret Doctrine, understands
that ALL texts are within that book. - We - do not need to go and read a
whole lot of other texts,
because ALL texts are within that book in a condensed form. The same goes
for the complete set of
The Upanishads and a number of other ancient and almost forgotten books. One
will know this when
reading them in the Akasha. But to say so requires, that you are on a very
high level of consciuosness, and since not all
of us are that - it would not be adviceable to follow your view, that we
only need the original teachings.

But we can with great advantage within theosophical groups use them as a
solid rock to build on.
On this I agree.

2. Eldon's moderation guidelines

Dallas wrote:
"A moderator tries to keep the flow of discussion within certain boundaries
-- chiefly of moderation in language and expression. It is not easy. The
more so, since "brotherhood" forbids excluding anyone, unless there is some
gross expression of animosity or of untheosophical statements."

Exactly. I think that it is the debate of Theosophy within certain limits of
compassion
while we remember this view of yours Dallas, (a view Blavatsky presented
as being the idea with The Theosophical Society when it had debates.),
which is the path forward to such a forum like Theos-Talk.

Too many ties on the debate will not be helpful.
Oversensitivity is not to be praised as the hallmark of being a member.
But wise moderation will do very well.
I personally think that what Eldon have offered as new guidelines for
Theos-Talk will work.
And that the later additional ideas are covered by Eldon's ideas.
So Let Eldon pratice what he has offered the group. And let the group
practise it using the
theosophical words of Universal Brotherhood (or Sisterhood) as the
cornerstone.

Sometimes I wonder about creating either 3 interconnected Yahoo forums.
1. Beginner forum (ask questions forum - and a daily read from a TS book)
2. Advanced forum
3. A forum to those who are cursed with oversensitivity and other similar
problems.

-or -
just one single PHPbb forum containing all three and if needed several
others.



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2004 10:11 PM
Subject: Theos-World RE: The role of the Teacher or moderator ???


Oct 1 2004

Re: Moderating a chat-list

Dear M,

It is well to think on the idea that HPB and the Masters are alive and well
and working with all true students.

I think it is important to become familiar with what HPB wrote in every
case.

Remember that she was the "Messenger" of the real Mahatmas -- the TEACHERS
OF WISDOM -- who never "die."

There is enough material in her books and articles to keep us busy for a
good long time. I would say that in those pages lies our assignment for the
present incarnation -- to learn and to understand.

Hallo
A "moderator" in not necessarily a "teacher."

A moderator tries to keep the flow of discussion within certain boundaries
-- chiefly of moderation in language and expression. It is not easy. The
more so, since "brotherhood" forbids excluding anyone, unless there is some
gross expression of animosity or of untheosophical statements.

As I understand THEOSOPHY states early in S D Vol. 1 that every human being
is a deathless immortal MONAD (Atma-Buddhi). It reincarnates and grows
wiser if it lives a life of strict morality and brotherhood.

In the SECRET DOCTRINE, [ S D I 178, 326, 570, II 57]

HPB defines the Monad as a conjoint entity made up of two poles: SPIRIT and
MATER. Between these two is the intelligent MIND. [ S D I 75; II 58-9]
Its function is to look both ways and serve continually as a link between
these two.

Thus the Monad in evolution (you and me) are three-fold. [S D I 570; II
57]

It is the mind which is trying to make of itself a universally
self-conscious entity.[ S D I 334fn, 192-3; II 79-80, 93, 103, 113, 167
At present we are self-conscious -- of the 2 selves: The "Self of Spirit,"
[ S D I 106; II 640] and the "self of matter." [S D II 110, 163, 422,

Best wishes,

Dallas

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"In the introduction to the SECRET DOCTRINE, H.P.Blavatsky boldly
affirms the existence of a great Fraternity of Men, Adepts, who preserve
the true philosophy through all changes, now revealing it, and again, at
certain eras, withdrawing it from a degraded age; and emphatically she
says that the doctrine is never a new one, but only a handing on again
of what was always the system... [Further she adds] in the twentieth
century of our era scholars will begin to recognize that the S.D. has
neither been invented nor exaggerated, but, on the contrary, simply
outlined; and finally, that its teachings antedate the Vedas."

"...the Messenger from the great Fraternity--she herself being the one
for this Century--she observes significantly: that "In Century the 20th
some disciple more informed, and far better fitted, may be sent by the
Masters of Wisdom to give final and irrefutable proof that there exists
a science called Gupta-Vidya; and that, [it] the source of all
religions and philosophies now known to the world...is at last found."
WQJ ART II 81-2


"[ According to HPB ]...there are certain persons on this earth, living
and working as ordinary human beings and members of society, whose
informing divine part is so immeasurably high in development that they
as such high beings have a definite status and function in the
"supersensuous regions."...she herself was such a case, and that "H P B"
whether hourly in the day or at night when all around was still, had a
"status and function" in other spheres where she consciously carried on
the work of that high station, whatever it was...[She wrote in one
place] " I am conscious day and night, and have much to do and to
endure in both these existences from which you, being half-conscious,
are happily saved." WQJ ART I 616

[ a compassionate cut by M. Sufilight]