Theos-World Re: CORRECTION: Can theos-talk look at the world?
Sep 28, 2004 05:55 AM
by Erica Letzerich
Thank you for your e-mail. We must not forget that the Theosophical
Society as an organization should not get involved in politics. And
this was something very important to be stated during the early
period of the T.S.
Blavatsky also was in the war with Garibaldi was not that related to
politics? Every individual member of the T.S. has the right to get
involved in a practical way with politics, and also as a member to
make comparative studies.
Political Science is the study of social arrangements to maintain
peace and order within a given society; it examines the theory of
systems of government and studies actual practices of government.
Once more thank you for your e-mail.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "W.Dallas TenBroeck"
> Sept 28 20004
> Dear Friends and Erica:
> Calling "politics" a "science' is stretching the definition, in my
> Like psychology, it is not definite and does not have any specific
> only notions, statistics of mass opinions, and the desire of some
> rule, dominate and force others to do as they wish by any means
fair or foul
> -- thus forming governments -- which no one really needs -- if we
> actually live in a viable brotherhood -- where virtue alone
> If one studies religions comparatively and the laws of many
> discovers that all religions and all fair laws trust and regard
> highest appreciation VIRTUE.
> What are virtues?
> The Six Virtues
> "Try; try; ever keep trying."
> "Realization comes from dwelling on the things to be realized."
> Following such injunctions of Those Who Know, a constant gain will
> Ups and downs there will be, in accordance with the swing of the
> or, more properly, the turn of the spiral. Knowing the law of
action, we can
> keep on, whether we are at the highest or lowest point of the
cycle. As time
> goes on and the right attitude is maintained, we shall grow less
> subject to the high or the low.
> To realize, at the beginning, the continuous effort required,
> discouraging; but as the greatness of the task we have set before
> becomes more and more real, we grow into the condition represented
> six glorious virtues as that of being constitutionally incapable of
> deviating from the right path.
> We have in the past generated, or created by thought, and
> action, numerous elemental beings of the nature of Prakriti. As
long as our
> thought is in keeping with their natures, no great friction is
> when our thoughts fail to provide them with sustenance, the
> life begins, and must continue until these creatures of ours die,
or are so
> changed as to cause no hindrance.
> It is a new Manvantara in our little solar system, 'the guiding
> ruling, controlling, or sweeping away all entities connected with
> evolution, in accordance with the key-note of the new. So, in the
> state of the old, and the nebulous state of the new, we have to go
> the preparatory Rounds. Great Nature repeats her action in
> Law, in the small as well as the great. . . .
> One of the results of wisdom is the ability -- in degree, at
least -- to do
> the right thing, at the right time, and in the right place. The
> all right doing is to help others who are seen and known not to be
> Our seeing and knowing their present condition gives us the clue
to the kind
> and manner of helping. If we judge them incapable of help, we
> them none. So we judge not, but like the Sun and Nature treat all
> shine for all, work for all, irrespective of presently held ideas,
> presumable qualifications in any. Such has been the course of all
> Teachers. They come to call "not saints, but sinners to
> There is no pretense of personal virtue or knowledge in handing on
> benefit of others what one perceives to be good for them. A claim,
> thought of personal virtue, is detrimental -- because it is
> Egoic perceptions on this plane are limited by this very thing.
> "Thy body is not self, thy Self is in itself without a body, and
> praise or blame affects it not."
> "Deliverance of mind from thralldom by the cessation of sin and
> not for 'Deva-Egos' (reincarnating egos). Thus says the 'Doctrine
> "The Dharma of the 'Heart' is the embodiment of Bodhi (True,
> the Permanent and Everlasting."
> "To live to benefit Mankind is the first step. To practice the six
> virtues is the second."
> The six glorious virtues are:
> ONE -- 'Sama.' It consists in obtaining perfect mastery over the
> seat of emotions and desires), and in forcing it to act in
> the intellect which had been strengthened by attaining -
> (a) 'Right knowledge of the real and the unreal' (Right
> (b) 'Perfect indifference to the fruits of one's actions, both
> hereafter.' (Renunciation of the fruits of actions.)
> TWO -- 'Dama.' Complete mastery over bodily acts.
> THREE -- 'Uparati.' Renunciation of all formal religion, and the
> of contemplation of objects without being in the least disturbed
> performance of the great task one has set before oneself.
> FOUR -- 'Titiksha.' Cessation of desire and a constant readiness
> with everything in the world.
> FIVE -- 'Samadana.' That which renders the student constitutionally
> incapable of deviating from the right path.
> SIX -- 'Shradda.' Implicit confidence on the part of the pupil in
> Master's power to teach, and his own power to learn.
> SEVEN -- One other, and the last accomplishment required, is an
> desire for liberation from conditioned existence and for
> the One Life.
> While some of these may be beyond us, we can 'practise' in these
> in fact, we have been so doing, and we know that practice makes
> [ From The Friendly Philosopher, 78-81 Robert Crosbie ]
> In terms of "politics" -- HPB says we are to avoid them.
> If you want a definitive statement then go to The KEY TO THEOSOPHY
> And to other of HPB's writings.
> She says:
> POLITICS AND SOCIAL REFORM
> "Unconcerned about politics; hostile to the insane dreams of
> Communism, which it abhors--as both are but disguised conspiracies
> force and sluggishness against honest labor; the Society cares
> about the outward human management of the material world."
> HPB -- "What are the Theosophists ?" Theost. Oct 1879, p. 7
> "...Work, therefore, to bring about the moral regeneration of the
> but far more immoral classes before you attempt to do the same for
> ignorant younger Brethren. The latter was undertaken years ago,
> carried on to this day, yet with no perceptible good results. It
> evident that the reason for this lies in the fact that [except]
for a few
> earnest, sincere and all-sacrificing workers in that field, the
> majority of the volunteers consists of those same frivolous, ultra-
> classes, who 'play at charity' and whose ideas of the amelioration
> physical and moral status of the poor are confined to the hobby
> and the Bible alone can do it." HPB -- "The Tidal Wave"
> THE RELATIONS OF THE T. S. TO POLITICAL REFORMS.
> ENQUIRER. The Theosophical Society is not, then, a political
> THEOSOPHIST. Certainly not. It is international in the highest
sense in that
> its members comprise men and women of all races, creeds, and forms
> thought, who work together for one object, the improvement of
> as a society it takes absolutely no part in any national or party
> ENQUIRER. Why is this?
> THEOSOPHIST. Just for the reasons I have mentioned. Moreover,
> action must necessarily vary with the circumstances of the time
and with the
> idiosyncracies of individuals. While from the very nature of their
> as Theosophists the members of the T. S. are agreed on the
> Theosophy, or they would not belong to the society at all, it does
> thereby follow that they agree on every other subject. As a
society they can
> only act together in matters which are common to all -- that is, in
> Theosophy itself; as individuals, each is left perfectly free to
> his or her particular line of political thought and action, so
long as this
> does not conflict with Theosophical principles or hurt the
> ENQUIRER. But surely the T. S. does not stand altogether aloof
> social questions which are now so fast coming to the front?
> THEOSOPHIST. The very principles of the T. S. are a proof that it
> »or, rather, that most of its members do not» so stand aloof. If
> can only be developed mentally and spiritually by the enforcement,
> all, of the soundest and most scientific physiological laws, it is
> bounden duty of all who strive for this development to do their
> see that those laws shall be generally carried out. All
> only too sadly aware that, in Occidental countries especially, the
> condition of large masses of the people renders it impossible for
> their bodies or their spirits to be properly trained, so that the
> development of both is thereby arrested. As this training and
> one of the express objects of Theosophy, the T. S. is in thorough
> and harmony with all true efforts in this direction.
> ENQUIRER. But what do you mean by "true efforts"? Each social
> his own panacea, and each believes his to be the one and only
> can improve and save humanity?
> THEOSOPHIST. Perfectly true, and this is the real reason why so
> satisfactory social work is accomplished. In most of these
panaceas there is
> no really guiding principle, and there is certainly no one
> connects them all. Valuable time and energy are thus wasted; for
> instead of co-operating, strive one against the other, often, it
is to be
> feared, for the sake of fame and reward rather than for the great
> which they profess to have at heart, and which should be supreme
> ENQUIRER. How, then, should Theosophical principles be applied so
> social co-operation may be promoted and true efforts for social
> be carried on?
> THEOSOPHIST. Let me briefly remind you what these principles are --
> universal Unity and Causation; Human Solidarity; the Law of Karma;
> Re-incarnation. These are the four links of the golden chain which
> bind humanity into one family, one universal Brotherhood.
> ENQUIRER. How?
> THEOSOPHIST. In the present state of society, especially in so-
> civilized countries, we are continually brought face to face with
> that large numbers of people are suffering from misery, poverty
> Their physical condition is wretched, and their mental and
> faculties are often almost dormant. On the other hand, many
persons at the
> opposite end of the social scale are leading lives of careless
> material luxury, and selfish indulgence. Neither of these forms of
> is mere chance. Both are the effects of the conditions which
> who are subject to them, and the neglect of social duty on the one
> most closely connected with the stunted and arrested development
> other. In sociology, as in all branches of true science, the law of
> universal causation holds good. But this causation necessarily
> its logical outcome, that human solidarity on which Theosophy so
> insists. If the action of one reacts on the lives of all, and this
> true scientific idea, then it is only by all men becoming brothers
> women sisters, and by all practising in their daily lives true
> and true sisterhood, that the real human solidarity, which lies at
> of the elevation of the race, can ever be attained. It is this
> interaction, this true brotherhood and sisterhood, in which each
> for all and all for each, which is one of the fundamental
> principles that every Theosophist should be bound, not only to
teach, but to
> carry out in his or her individual life.
> ENQUIRER. All this is very well as a general principle, but how
> apply it in a concrete way?
> THEOSOPHIST. Look for a moment at what you would call the concrete
> human society. Contrast the lives not only of the masses of the
> of many of those who are called the middle and upper classes, with
> might be under healthier and nobler conditions, where justice,
> love were paramount, instead of the selfishness, indifference, and
> which now too often seem to reign supreme. All good and evil
> humanity have their roots in human character, and this character
is, and has
> been, conditioned by the endless chain of cause and effect. But
> conditioning applies to the future as well as to the present and
> Selfishness, indifference, and brutality can never be the normal
> the race» to believe so would be to despair of humanity» and that
> Theosophist can do. Progress can be attained, and only attained,
> development of the nobler qualities. Now, true evolution teaches
us that by
> altering the surroundings of the organism we can alter and improve
> organism; and in the strictest sense this is true with regard to
> Theosophist, therefore, is bound to do his utmost to help on, by
> means in his power, every wise and well-considered social effort
> for its object the amelioration of the condition of the poor. Such
> should be made with a view to their ultimate social emancipation,
> development of the sense of duty in those who now so often neglect
> nearly every relation of life.
> ENQUIRER. Agreed. But who is to decide whether social efforts are
> THEOSOPHIST. No one person and no society can lay down a hard-and-
> in this respect. Much must necessarily be left to the individual
> One general test may, however, be given. Will the proposed action
> promote that true brotherhood which it is the aim of Theosophy to
> about? No real Theosophist will have much difficulty in applying
> test; once he is satisfied of this, his duty will lie in the
> forming public opinion. And this can be attained only by
> higher and nobler conceptions of public and private duties which
lie at the
> root of all spiritual and material improvement. In every
conceivable case he
> himself must be a centre of spiritual action, and from him and his
> individual life must radiate those higher spiritual forces which
> regenerate his fellow-men.
> ENQUIRER. But why should he do this? Are not he and all, as you
> conditioned by their Karma, and must not Karma necessarily work
> on certain lines?
> THEOSOPHIST. It is this very law of Karma which gives strength to
all that I
> have said. The individual cannot separate himself from the race,
> race from the individual. The law of Karma applies equally to all,
> all are not equally developed. In helping on the development of
> Theosophist believes that he is not only helping them to fulfil
> but that he is also, in the strictest sense, fulfilling his own.
It is the
> development of humanity, of which both he and they are integral
> he has always in view, and he knows that any failure on his part
> to the highest within him retards not only himself but all, in
> progressive march. By his actions, he can make it either more
> more easy for humanity to attain the next higher plane of being.
> ENQUIRER. How does this bear on the fourth of the principles you
> viz., Re-incarnation?
> THEOSOPHIST. The connection is most intimate. If our present lives
> upon the development of certain principles which are a growth from
> left by a previous existence, the law holds good as regards the
> grasp the idea that universal causation is not merely present, but
> present and future, and every action on our present plane falls
> and easily into its true place, and is seen in its true relation to
> ourselves and to others. Every mean and selfish action sends us
> not forward, while every noble thought and every unselfish deed are
> steppingstones to the higher and more glorious planes of being. If
> were all, then in many respects it would indeed be poor and mean;
> regarded as a preparation for the next sphere of existence, it may
> as the golden gate through which we may pass, not selfishly and
> in company with our fellows, to the palaces which lie beyond. "
> Key pp 231 -7
> Best wishes,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Erica
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 12:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [ Can we look at the word "politics" ? ]
> The second object of the T.S. is the comparative studies of
> philosophy and science, politics are also a science, so any
> related to politic systems are in perfect accordance with the
objects of the
> T.S. Also the first object of the T.S. Universal Brotherhood is
> related to the society, so to discuss about social problems and
> under the light of the perennial philosophy it seems to me to be
> harmony with the objects of the T.S.
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