Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00612)

Hi Erica, 
Thanks for these links and information.
Wheels within wheels!
Its important for us to know this sort of thing
Context is all important in these historical matters.

This Occult information the Mahtma's gave out was power bestowering
and as WQ Judge points out in an article on Elementals if certain
information about the operation and use of the elementals was to
become known by people with selfish intent it could be disastarous.

While we are told as a rule the Mahatma's won't interfere directly
with the karma of anyone.
However perhaps certain High Adepts may in extreme cases put a blind
over certain occult truths as this information has real power.

Just trying to show how dangerous this information would be in the
wrong hands and are "the men of science" ready for the whole of this
information since most of them are at the beck and call of the power
elites and corporate bodies... (this of course ties in with politics)
Many things come into play....many questions....

The article below may be of interest and cause upset for some as it
suggests paternalistic protection and hiding of information from
humaninty.

But the question I ask is - What would the power elites of today do
with this information if they had it and knew it would "work"?
Are we as a humanity ready to weild such power?
Just open questions that I think tie in with all this -

Thanks again
Perry

http://www.blavatsky.net/theosophy/judge/articles/elementals-how-they-act.h=
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Student. - Why so? Is it not well to increase the sum of human
knowledge, even respecting most recondite parts of nature; or can it
be that the elementals are bad?

Sage. - It is wise to increase the knowledge of nature's laws, but
always with proper limitations. All things will become known some day.
Nothing can be kept back when men have reached the point where they
can understand. But at this time it would not be wise to give them,
for the asking, certain knowledge that would not be good for them.
That knowledge relates to elementals, and it can for the present be
kept back from the scientists of today. So long as it can be retained
from them, it will be, until they and their followers are of a
different stamp.

As to the moral character of elementals, they have none; they are
colorless in themselves - except some classes - and merely assume the
tint, so to speak, of the person using them.

Student. - Will our scientific men one day, then, be able to use these
beings, and, if so, what will be the manner of it? Will their use be
confined to only the good men of the earth?

Sage. - The hour is approaching when all this will be done. But the
scientists of today are not the men to get this knowledge. They are
only pigmy forerunners who sow seed and delve blindly in no
thoroughfares. They are too small to be able to grasp these mighty
powers, but they are not wise enough to see that their methods will
eventually lead to Black Magic in centuries to come when they shall be
forgotten.

When elemental forces are used similarly as we now see electricity and
other natural energies adapted to various purposes, there will be "war
in heaven." Good men will not alone possess the ability to use them.
Indeed, the sort of man you now call "good" will not be the most able.
The wicked will, however, pay liberally for the power of those who can
wield such forces, and at last the Supreme Masters, who now guard this
knowledge from children, will have to come forth. Then will ensue a
dreadful war, in which, as has ever happened, the Masters will succeed
and the evil doers be destroyed by the very engines, principalities,
and powers prostituted to their own purposes during years of intense
selfish living. But why dilate on this; in these days it is only a
prophecy.

Student. - Could you give me some hints as to how the secrets of the
elemental plane are preserved and prevented from being known? Do these
guardians of whom you speak occupy themselves in checking elementals,
or how? Do they see much danger of divulgement likely in those
instances where elemental action is patent to the observer?

Sage. - As to whether they check elementals or not need not be
enquired into, because, while that may be probable, it does not appear
very necessary where men are unsuspicious of the agency causing that
phenomena. It is much easier to throw a cloud over the investigator's
mind and lead him off to other results of often material advantage to
himself and men, while at the same time acting as a complete
preventive or switch which turns his energies and application into
different departments.

It might be illustrated thus: Suppose that a number of trained
occultists are set apart to watch the various sections of the world
where the mental energies are in fervid operation. It is quite easy
for them to see in a moment any mind that is about reaching a clue
into the elemental world; and, besides, imagine that trained
elementals themselves constantly carry information of such events.
Then, by superior knowledge and command over this peculiar world,
influences presenting various pictures are sent out to that enquiring
mind. In one case it may be a new moral reform, in another a great
invention is revealed, and such is the effect that the man's whole
time and mind are taken up by this new thing which he fondly imagines
is his own. Or, again, it would be easy to turn his thoughts into a
certain rut leading far from the dangerous clue. In fact, the methods
are endless.

Student. - Would it be wise to put into the hands of truly good,
conscientious men who now use aright what gifts they have, knowledge
of and control over elementals, to be used on the side of right?

Sage. - The Masters are the judges of what good men are to have this
power and control. You must not forget that you cannot be sure of the
character at bottom of those whom you call "truly good and
conscientious men." Place them in the fire of the tremendous
temptation which such power and control would furnish, and most of
them would fail. But the Masters already know the characters of all
who in any way approach to a knowledge of these forces, and They
always judge whether such a man is to be aided or prevented. They are
not working to make these laws and forces known, but to establish
right doctrine, speech, and action, so that the characters and motives
of men shall undergo such radical changes as to fit them for wielding
power in the elemental world. And that power is not now lying idle, as
you infer, but is being always used by those who will never fail to
rightly use it.
 

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Erica Letzerich" <eletzerich@y...>
wrote:
> I really found some informations here and there, that are difficult 
> to build up a conclusion without knowing the truth about it. Did 
> Geoffrey Hodson made any description about Hitler's aura? For sure 
> if so such material is not availeable. 
> 
> I think the important fact inspite to find some shadows here and 
> there are the objects that the T.S. stand for. And there are some 
> clear misunderstanding. When I read the biography of John Coalts he 
> describes the terror they have lived in London during the second 
> World war, also he express his great admiration to Arundale. 
> 
> Anyway read the below:
> 
> "In Germany, soon after Hitler seized power, the liberal political 
> parties became illegal. So did Theosophy, four years later. In the 
> meantime, The Theosophist monthly had published Jinarajadasa's 
> denunciation of persecution of Jews; but also praise by the 1934-
> 1945 President George Arundale of Hitler; and an enthusiastic 
> paranormal description by A non-German theosophist' [G. Hodson?] of 
> the 'purity' of the Führer's beautiful aura.13)"
> 
> 13) The Theosophist, May 1936, 242. Nazi propaganda posters also 
> often depicted Hitler with an aura around his head; Albrecht W. 
> Thöne, Das Licht der Arier. Licht-, Feuer- und Dunkelsymbolik des 
> Nationalsozialismus. München: Minerva, 1979, 35.
> 
> http://www.stelling.nl/simpos/libetheo.htm#11
> 
> Erica
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "worlduni_news" 
> <worlduni_news@y...> wrote:
> > Initially Evola was critical of the Fascist regime because it was 
> > not fascist enough. In 1927, In his book about paganism 
> > (Imperialismo pagano), was critical of the Fascist regime because 
> it 
> > was not fascist enough. As a Theosophist he was critical of the 
> > Catholic Church, which in contrast Mussolini accepted. 
> > 
> > H. T. Hansen,in "Julius Evola's Political Endeavors," writes how 
> > Evola next turned to the SS And was invited by Himmler to give a 
> > lecture at Wewelsburg where Evola (who wanted Italy to join 
> > the `Reich' proposed a new branch German/Italian SS organized as  
> a 
> > secret initiatic society.
> > 
> > See also "Hitler,Buddha,Krishna" (although I do not agree with the 
> > authors complete missunderstanding of the Dailai Lama and Tantric 
> > Buddhism), they did not leave a single archive in Germany 
> unturned. 
> > 
> > Mussoline was willing to embrace the "spiritual" version of root 
> > races and reincarnation, and he paid for Evola to go to Germany to 
> > preach this doctrine after having Evola's book about this 
> translated 
> > in German. 
> > 
> > After WWII Evola supported terrorist groups stating that with the 
> > right spiritual attitude called `Holy War';
> > 
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1404/djihad.html
> > 
> > 
> > Also check Girogio Freda who after scattering Evola's ashes in the 
> > Italian Alps, continued to advance Evola's ideas by founding 
> > several organizations. 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 9/21/04 8:15:29 AM Central Daylight Time, 
> > > eletzerich@y... writes:
> > > 
> > > << So we have a heretic witness. :)
> > >   
> > > Erica >>
> > > 
> > > Yes you do. And what is interesting is the fact that while 
> > fascist Italy was 
> > > adored by those in the TS who did not have to live under it, 
> > fascism was 
> > > abhored by those who had direct experience with it, as Pedro has 
> > ably pointed out.
> > > 
> > > Chuck the heretic
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "worlduni_news" 
> <worlduni_news@y...> wrote:
> > Initially Evola was critical of the Fascist regime because it was 
> > not fascist enough. In 1927, In his book about paganism 
> > (Imperialismo pagano), was critical of the Fascist regime because 
> it 
> > was not fascist enough. As a Theosophist he was critical of the 
> > Catholic Church, which in contrast Mussolini accepted. 
> > 
> > H. T. Hansen,in "Julius Evola's Political Endeavors," writes how 
> > Evola next turned to the SS And was invited by Himmler to give a 
> > lecture at Wewelsburg where Evola (who wanted Italy to join 
> > the `Reich' proposed a new branch German/Italian SS organized as  
> a 
> > secret initiatic society.
> > 
> > See also "Hitler,Buddha,Krishna" (although I do not agree with the 
> > authors complete missunderstanding of the Dailai Lama and Tantric 
> > Buddhism), they did not leave a single archive in Germany 
> unturned. 
> > 
> > Mussoline was willing to embrace the "spiritual" version of root 
> > races and reincarnation, and he paid for Evola to go to Germany to 
> > preach this doctrine after having Evola's book about this 
> translated 
> > in German. 
> > 
> > After WWII Evola supported terrorist groups stating that with the 
> > right spiritual attitude called `Holy War';
> > 
> > http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1404/djihad.html
> > 
> > 
> > Also check Girogio Freda who after scattering Evola's ashes in the 
> > Italian Alps, continued to advance Evola's ideas by founding 
> > several organizations. 
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Drpsionic@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 9/21/04 8:15:29 AM Central Daylight Time, 
> > > eletzerich@y... writes:
> > > 
> > > << So we have a heretic witness. :)
> > >   
> > > Erica >>
> > > 
> > > Yes you do. And what is interesting is the fact that while 
> > fascist Italy was 
> > > adored by those in the TS who did not have to live under it, 
> > fascism was 
> > > abhored by those who had direct experience with it, as Pedro has 
> > ably pointed out.
> > > 
> > > Chuck the heretic