Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00587)

Sept 21 2004

Dear John:

Do you use Judges' PATANJALI'S YOGA SUTRAS ?

If so, I found it useful to look on the use in that book of the words
"mind," as {Kama-Manas}; and on "soul," as {Buddhi-Manas}.

Helped me to disentangle some meanings.

I think it is a most valuable book, but obscure in some directions -- and
again, time (and much study) has proven those "obscurities" to have value.

Dal

Dallas
 

-----Original Message-----
From: samblo@cs.com [mailto:samblo@cs.com] 
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:57 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Creating authority under sweet name of
"original teaching"

Perry, and all,
Well, just a personal view. If Patanjali were alive today and also a 
member of this Forum, how would one imagine his view as he read the posts? I
think 
he, being as he was seen to be an authority in certain areas, might be 
inclined to evaluate both the context and the source that originates the
views in the 
various posts, and that he might, as an expert at spotting the activity, 
characteristics, modes of thoughts, emotions, fixated material agreements
and the 
authoritative declarations that so mark and indicate what is originate of
the 
"Conditioned Mind" that he might in a way a parent has suffrage for the
child, 
softly guide the child to see the activity for itself as it presents in it's

automaticity's. I think hypothetically Patanjali might have a "Rule" he
valued 
such as "I will never enter into Debate, Discussion or Argument with a 
"Commited Conditioned Mind." If most of the 6,000,000,000+ people are firmly
limited 
to the processes of the Conditioned Mind as their only means, then looking
at 
what so distresses the many in the world in the moment to moment time is
just 
simply "activity of conditioned mind" as producer and originator of the 
effects both good and bad due to it's particular logic, rationalizations, 
considerations, and agreements which it adamantly seeks to insure
continuance of. 
Entire lifetimes of individuals, groups, nations, civilizations are lived
and 
expended producing an endless stream of energies and expenditure of energies
with 
the goal of insuring the Blind King remains on the Throne. Maybe mankind
needs 
to have a better moment to moment awareness individually and collectively in

terms of "Mindful Awareness" pointedly cultured at knowing and observing
the 
primary universal obstacle we all are subject too. In my opinion progress 
toward the three objects is largely to be determined by the above and the
world 
ideally would show positive change when movement happens in the conscious 
awareness in regard to Conditioned Mind. I think Krishna put all this in a
slightly 
different way to Arjun.

John


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