Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00526)

Hallo Anand,

I will have to say, that I disagree very much with that view of yours.
I do it our of compassion. I do hope you will at least seek to understand
why.
And I claim that Blavatsky would do the same if she was around to raise her
voice.

Are you saying that C.W.Leadbeater made NO mistakes?


from
M. Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@AnandGholap.org>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 2:47 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Creating authority under sweet name of "original
teaching"


> Following post by Frank is extremely informative.
> After studying writings of many Theosophists I found that Mr.
> C.W.Leadbeater was far more accurate in entire TS history. No
> Theosophical writer before him and after him could equal him.
> Anand Gholap
>
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, ringding777@t... wrote:
> > Daniel asks:
> > >Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater were the
> > >first persons in modern
> > >times to write about Theosophy?
> >
> > Yes, 19 times yes, according to Dr Peter Michel, German TPH
> > agent, in his hagiography "Leadbeater seen
> > with eyes of the Spirit":
> > http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/ASIN/3894271078/qid%
> 3D1095523379/302-3324974-4445658.
> >
> > 1. Besant was regarded as the reincarnation
> > of Giordano Bruno (p. 17) - and that was much
> > before HPB's time!
> >
> > 2. CWL was with D.K. in a former life in the school of
> > Pythagoras! That was much before 1875!
> >
> > 3. According to Michel Leadbeater was presiding in 1873 (two
> > years before HPB started her TS) a committee on
> > Spiritualism. That A. H. Nethercot in his Besant biography
> > says that in his source "Secular Chronicle", June 1, 1873, a
> > "J. Leabeater" is mentioned, could be just a confusion (p.
> > 19).
> >
> > 4. It was Leadbeater who "drafted" the
> > doctrine on the two paths (p. 75) - not HPB!
> >
> > 5. It was CWL - not HPB - who taught the pleasures of
> > masturbation! "Therein he was ahead of the time" (p. 48)
> >
> > 6. Leadbeater was able "to humanize his
> > famous cat" (p. 91) - HPB was not able to
> > bring a human soul into an animal, he was
> > first!
> >
> > 7. It was Leadbeater, not HPB, who discovered
> > the theosophical world teacher, he was again
> > first!
> >
> > 8. Leadbeater taught first that a chela must
> > not smoke, HPB violated that rule! It was
> > under CWL's influence that the non-smoking
> > clause was inserted into the ES rules! (p.
> > 103). Again he was the first theosophical
> > teacher on that topic, supplanting HPB's
> > lesser occult knowledge!
> >
> > 9. According to Michel HPB assumed that
> > deceased are unconscious in devachan, but
> > Leadbeater was the first who discovered that
> > the astral world is quite different "from the
> > assumptions of HPB and the Masters" (p.
> > 117f.).
> >
> > 10. Leadbeater was the first who told the
> > truth of the angel world (p. 125)! HPB did
> > not know nothing of the angels, even believed
> > in her "early years" in spirits (p. 123)!
> >
> > 11. It was Leadbeazer who first taught that
> > men is a flame child of God and "cannot
> > seperated from Him" (p. 132). HPB did not
> > know nothing of God!
> >
> > 12. It was Leadbeater first who taught about
> > the life of the Martians, HPB's clairvoyance
> > was not broad enough to reach the Mars!
> >
> > 13. It was Leadbeater's "wide, tolerant
> > attitude" of connecting Christianity with
> > Buddhism which "led in the 20th Century to a
> > living dialogue of the religions" (p. 157).
> > Here he is also first, in opposite to Judge,
> > who bummed in 1893 in Chicago!
> >
> > 14. Leadbeater was the first theosophical
> > teacher, with whom the Logos Himself spoke!
> > He knew what the Logos wished: To create out
> > of Him beings who are like Him! (p. 161). The
> > Logos did never speak to HPB, perhaps because
> > the Logos Himself was a non-smoker, too!
> > (wait a second, I light a stick).
> >
> > 15. Leadbeater promoted the "think positive"
> > attitude, in opposite to HPB which criticized
> > so much in her articles priests, scientists,
> > theosophists! CWL was much more harmonious
> > than HPB. Could be it be otherwise when he
> > was the Herold of the Manu?
> >
> > 16. It was Leadbeater whom the Masters in
> > 1885 taught the doctrine of the Seven Rays
> > (p. 169), not to HPB.
> >
> > 17. The "condemnation" of Leadbeater, "based
> > solemny on gossip" and never on facts,
> > "should fall silent after the publication of
> > this biography" (p. 173). "We are in debt to
> > this big Theosophist" (p. 173)!
> >
> > 18. His perceptions of the higher bodies of
> > men, his aura and life after death were
> > pioneering and brighter proofed als some of
> > HPB or the Mahatma Letters" (p. 174)! Again
> > the "big seer and Initiate" (back cover) was
> > THE FIRST!
> >
> > 19. Obviously even HPB was able to accept a
> > higher occult source as she has had "full
> > convidence" in Leadbeater from the first day
> > until the rest of her life" (p. 30-31).
> >
> > Frank
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