Theos-Talk Archives (September 2004 Message tt00169)

Anand,

Thanks for your reply below.

I will try to add a few comments in the near
future. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.

Daniel

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Anand Gholap" <AnandGholap@A...> 
wrote:
> Daniel and All,
> 
> I can understand great difficulty which Daniel and many others face 
> because so many people claimed to have received letters from 
Masters. 
> In such situation whom to believe is a problem. 
> 
> To solve this problem we need to consider some basic principles. 
> Firstly while studying Theosophy every student is supposed to use 
his 
> own intuition and intellect before he accepts and rejects some 
> principle. So writing may come from Masters or from those who claim 
> contact with Masters, every statement should be judged with our own 
> intuition and intellect. Nobody including Masters or those who 
claim 
> contact with them, including HPB, should be blindly believed or be 
> accepted as infallible authority.
> 
> Daniel gave long list of people who claimed contact with Masters. 
It 
> is possible that more than one people had contact with Masters 
> because Masters never said that HPB will be first and last person 
to 
> become disciple. On the contrary HPB gave great hope that just as 
she 
> made progress in occultism there is hope for all people in future 
to 
> contact them, become disciple and then Master himself, provided 
they 
> develop certain required qualities and made efforts in that 
> direction. So there are more people who made and will make true 
> contact with the Masters. There might be some people who made false 
> claims that they received letters from Master in order to benefit 
> materially. But whatever claims may be merit of teaching of any 
> author should be judged without prejudice that that person had 
> contact or not. Writing and speeches of Mr. C.W. Leadbeater and 
Mrs. 
> Annie Besant became very popular, they gave Theosophy acceptance 
> among thousands of people in the world because that writing and 
> speeches had inherent quality, power of truth and experience behind 
> their words. That made them popular. CWL and AB did not try to get 
> acceptance by claiming contact with Masters. Even if they had tried 
> to become famous by such claims ultimately people would have judged 
> them by their teaching. Among others Geoffrey Hodson perhaps had 
true 
> contact because his books show that quality which comes from 
> experience in occultism, power of truth, ligic etc. I don't want to 
> comment on other people who claimed contact.
> 
> Again receiving letters from Masters does not mean that recipient 
was 
> a great seer. Sinnett received largest number of letters but that 
> does not mean he was greatest. Masters sent letter to some people 
> with some other purposes not because recipient was great. In fact 
> true disciple is in contact with Masters in higher planes and 
> communication happens in higher planes, they don't need letters for 
> communication. 
> 
> While reading a Theosophical book perception of truth depends on 
> reader's own inner development. If reader himself is evolved 
> spiritually and intellectually, has lot of good karma done with 
> unselfish motive in previous lives, then he will be able to 
> understand what is written in certain book is true or not. 
> 
> Another important thing is every body is free to believe in certain 
> author or not to believe. So even if Daniel or anybody proves 
contact 
> was true or false, every body is free to respect any author.
> 
> So I would suggest that don't give much importance to whether 
certain 
> person had contact with Masters and if documents prove the contact 
> was true or not. Book of the author itself should speak what the 
> author was. 
> 
> Best regards.
> 
> Fraternally,
> 
> Anand Gholap
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Theosophical
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel H. Caldwell" 
> <danielhcaldwell@y...> wrote:
> > There are numerous individuals, besides Annie
> > Besant & C.W. Leadbeater, who claimed they
> > were ALSO in contact with H.P. Blavatsky's Masters.
> > 
> > I give BELOW a partial listing including the
> > most prominent claimants.
> > 
> > Do either one of you believe that ALL of
> > these individuals were actually in contact with
> > the Masters?
> > 
> > And if your answer is "No" then could you
> > please share with the Theos-Talk audience
> > your reasons for accepting the claims of
> > some while rejecting the claims of others.
> > 
> > Daniel
> > http://hpb.cc
> > 
> > ===============================================
> > 
> > Since HPB's death in 1891, NUMEROUS individuals
> > have claimed contact with her Masters, stating
> > that they were new "messengers" conveying further
> > esoteric teachings. 
> > 
> > (1) William Q. Judge said he was in contact with HPB's Master 
Morya 
> > as well as the deceased HPB. Judge claimed he precipitated 
> letters 
> > from Master M. and gave out further esoteric teachings. 
> > 
> > (2) Annie Besant and Charles Leadbeater affirmed that they were 
in 
> > direct communication with HPB's Masters and the deceased HPB. 
They 
> > gave out various Theosophical teachings in their voluminous 
> writings. 
> > 
> > (3) Katherine Tingley, the occult successor of Judge, said she 
was 
> in 
> > contact with HPB's Masters and claimed to have met on at least 
two 
> > occasions the Master Morya in his physical body. 
> > 
> > (4) G. de Purucker, Tingley's successor, testified that the 
Masters 
> > M. & K.H. came to visit him in 1929 at Theosophical Society 
> > headquarters, Point Loma, San Diego, California. Purucker 
claimed 
> > that he was allowed to give out deeper esoteric teachings than 
HPB, 
> > Judge or Tingley had.
> > 
> > (5) Alice Bailey said she was in contact with Masters K.H. and 
D.K 
> > and wrote more than 20 volumes of teachings said to be from D.K. 
> She 
> > even gave out further installments of the Stanzas of Dzyan. 
> > 
> > (6) Mrs. Francia A. La Due (of the Temple of the People) gave out 
> > messages from the Masters, especially from Hilarion. She also 
> > published more Stanzas from the Book of Dzyan.
> > 
> > (7) Guy Ballard (of the "I Am" Movement) claimed to be in 
> > communication with the Masters, especially St. Germain.
> > 
> > (8) Helena Roerich (of the Agni Yoga Society) published some 13 
> > volumes of communications supposedly from the Master Morya.
> > 
> > (9) Mark Prophet and his wife Elizabeth Clare (of the Church 
> > Universal and Triumphant) claimed to be the emissaries of the 
Great 
> > White Brotherhood and have channeled thousands of messages from 
El 
> > Morya, Kut Humi, the Virgin Mary, Hercules, Chastity and a 
variety 
> of 
> > other Masters and entities.
> > 
> > (10) Earlyne Chaney (of Astara) believed she was in communication 
> > with Kut-Hi-Mi and Zoser and other Masters of the Great White 
> > Brotherhood. She has given out various so-called esoteric and 
> occult 
> > teachings.
> > 
> > (11) Nada-Yolanda (of Mark-Age, Inc) has channeled numerous 
> messages 
> > from M., K.H., and others Masters associated with UFOs.
> > 
> > (12) Max Heindel, Rudolf Steiner and Geoffrey Hodson have claimed 
> > clairvoyant powers and to be in contact with various Masters - 
> > Rosicrucian, Theosophical or otherwise.
> > 
> > (13) Other supposed communications from HPB's Masters have come 
> from 
> > Brother Philip in his book titled Secret of the Andes, from Cyril 
> > Scott in his series of books starting with The Initiate, and from 
> > David Anrias in his book Through the Eyes of the Masters.