Re: When the personal is political
Sep 01, 2004 05:05 PM
by Erica Letzerich
"I think it would be more effective to actually start new discussion
threads on topics one considers preferable, as opposed to telling
others their interests are inappropriate or unworthy of discussion.
The latter course only adds fuel to the fire, because people don't
like attempts to stifle them."
I wasn't trying to stifle anything, I was presenting my point of
view on the subject, that by the way you reach to the conclusion
that was a cognitive dissonance, without even knowing me or knowing
the beliefs I may hold.
If you think your ten years experience of cyber discussions (on a
group with around 200 members) it's a logical evidence to categorize
and condemned thousands members of the T.S., there is no base for
I am aware of your writings and all the critics you had. Your
attempt in trying to hold an academic and apparently open minded
position fall a part when your statements demonstrate great rigidity.
Historical studies and researches are relevant, may clarify and
bring light upon many issues, but endless insistence into
criticizing so much the Theosophical Society it's something else.
--- In email@example.com, "kpauljohnson"
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Erica Letzerich"
> This is a hasty generalization a deductive fallacy.
> Hi again Erica,
> My first experience of Theosophical cyberspace was more than ten
> ago. Participants were criticizing CWL's doctrines and behavior on
> theos-l in 1993-94, and other participants (invariably Adyar
> were attacking them as spiritually wrong for doing so. The same
> has occurred regularly ever since. So when I see it today and say
> it's a typical reaction based on 10 years of observation of
> Theosophical cyberspace, that's "hasty" only if one takes the
> manvantaric picture. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
> > You do not provide a good argument in your call for discussing
> > founders, in your analogy of sexual abuse in the family.
> I wasn't calling for it but trying to explain why attempts are
> invariably made to shut down such discussions.
> > Nobody is discussing about hiding information, denying it or
> it veiled.
> That seems to be precisely what Perry, Steve, Daniel, Gregory, and
> have been discussing.
> > My call was direct and simple a call to the ideals that the T.S.
> > represent in the world.
> > Or when you, Dr. Tillet (or whoever else you mentioned in your
> > previous e-mail) joined the T.S. it was with the aim to study
> > discuss the personal life of T.S. fellows?
> No, but neither was it with the aim of belonging to a group that is
> pathologically avoidant of basic facts about its own history.
> I must take issue with your relegation of CWL's behavior to the
> of "personal life." What HPB did or didn't do in her youth does
> indeed fall into that category; while the parentage of Yuri is an
> interesting puzzle it's not relevant to her role as a Theosophical
> teacher. But CWL's sexual proclivities weren't simply "his private
> life;" he repeatedly used his role as a Theosophical leader to
> access to victims and threw the TS into uproars caused by his
> behavior. Moreover, his long shadow still has a profound effect on
> the life of the TS. Any effort to understand why things are the
> they are in the Adyar TS leads right back to CWL and his "personal
> life." Hence, it's a Theosophical issue.
> > The T.S. hold three very clear objects and in none is stated to
> > investigate the personal lives of theosophists or to confirm if
> > Blavatsky was wearing a pink or red underwear.
> The Adyar TS may claim to the right to stifle allegedly
> historical discussions among its members-- hence to declare certain
> topics off limits in its publications or any online discussion
> controls. In a mixed group including non-Theosophists and non-
> Theosophists, the Adyar TS members cannot *control* historical
> discussion-- but sure can *disrupt* it with personal condemnation
> those trying to carry on such discussion.
> I think it would be more effective to actually start new discussion
> threads on topics one considers preferable, as opposed to telling
> others their interests are inappropriate or unworthy of
> The latter course only adds fuel to the fire, because people don't
> like attempts to stifle them.
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