Theos-Talk Archives (August 2004 Message tt00741)

Hallo Dallas and all,

My views are:

I think if one reads Blavatsky texts carefully, one will find, that she uses
the word "mind" as covering all levels of knowledge, but also the word
"mind" as if it is belonging only to the lower Manas or even to Manas a
such.

To try to make this more clear I write the following - thoughts:

What I have learnt is, that the ability to mentally visualize something
which is not perceived by the senses at the same time, that this is the
check point charlie so to speak between higher and lower manas. The Soul
contact sort of takes place. But it is only a wague contact.
Others are saying it is formless thinking, which is the check point.

When one has learned the ability to think and even ponder on more than one
object and issue at the same time, which are not perceived by the senses at
the time of doing it. Then we are talking about the higher manas are at
work.
(For instance one can ponder or meditate on the sexless compassionate God
within ones partner, while calculating the taxes which are due. God is often
perceived as a bright "Light" by the beginners.)

These levels of thinking are - when going upwards - slowly becoming a kind
of thinking, which are - formless in nature. One could call it abstract
formless thinking, almost like an advanced biocomputer with build-in
compassion. Well only almost.

And as far as I understand it, the level of Buddhi in each Seeker has many
different sublevels and even areas.
Some Seekers uses the higher Manas a lot with almost no Buddhi and others
has a lot of Buddhi and very little Manas capability.
And there are a lot of variations in between.
Buddhi is difficult to describe since we are talking about a level of
consciousness, which normally enables the Seeker to perceive the world using
extra sensory perception. The one who tastes know goes the saying.
This level also contains knowledge or rather wisdom about reincarnation
cycles, precognitive vision and other issues, which the beginner aught not
yet to try use his or her precious time with.

So far my knowledge.
I might be in error, but then let me know.

All suffering is due to justice and all in accordance with God's
cosmological law.



M. Sufilight


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W.Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 2:51 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World ORIGINAL TEACHINGS


> Aug 31 2004
>
> Dear Friend:
>
> Can you let me have any references to HPB saying there are limits to what
a
> mind can understand? I think this is important.
>
> As I understand it MAHAT is Universal Mind - MAHAT; and is the first
> pre-evolutionary manifesting opening of the new evolutionary Manvantaras
in
> any and all cases.
>
> It is allied of course to eternal KARMA and therefore the cycles of being
> emerge along with the appropriate intelligences I a regular sequence (HPB
in
> the SECRET DOCTRINE gives this in the 1st volume.
>
> In the case of Man (who is a direct emanation from MAHAT ) where does the
> power to think end or begin?
>
> What impedes thought?
>
> I think, in most cases, our power to think has been self-restricted, or
only
> partly used. But if we call on it and are attentive, and focus,
(meditate?)
> then it unrolls in terms of universality, logic, and exactitude -- like
> mathematics does, as we use, and force it to yield its great secrets.
>
> Are there not two minds The Lower everyday brain-mind (Kama-Manas) and
the
> other the reflective, wise-mind (Buddhi-Manas). If the eternal human
MONAD
> is ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS then Manas has no boundaries as it is rooted in ATMA,
> And ATMA IS ALL.
>
> As mind-units (Monads) in an enormous Universe (how the Hubble telescope
> reveals this !) we are the eternal Pilgrims, reincarnating from body to
new
> and better bodies all the time as we mentally advance. We need never fear
> "death." We never die and become "nothing."
>
> But maybe I am in error. Advise.
>
> Thanks and best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: MKR
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 7:15 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: ORIGINAL TEACHINGS
>
> This is the crux of the all our search for "understanding" the Ancient
> Wisdom.
>
> Every theosophist will benefit by keeping this in view all the time
> at the back of our mind.
>
> There is also a statement by HPB pointing out that there are limits to
what
> mind can understand.
>
> Much of the wisdom lies in the regions beyond what mind can perceive and
> understand.
>
> Hence no written or oral communication can convey the real nature and
> understanding of many of the facts in Nature. We all hope that each one of
> us transform internally and understand and realize Ancient Wisdom, even if
> they are the crumbs of it.
>
> mkr
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