Theos-Talk Archives (August 2004 Message tt00212)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "kpauljohnson" <kpauljohnson@y...> 
wrote:
> Steve S. has mentioned to me that on another list
> a gay ULT member was subjected to personal abuse
> from other ULT members, making insinuations of black
> magic etc. Perhaps he can expand on that.

That is not quite right. The list owner (Reed Carson) posted 
something (I forget what) on devotional practice and I thought to get 
some discussion going by replying to his post, even though I do not 
give a rat's ass about devotional religion. So I sent a post 
pointing out that some of the Tibetan mustics endeavor to "fall in 
love" with God as a mystical practice. I read about this in 
Blofeld's book TANTRIC MYSTICISM IN TIBET.

Blofeld's books are all excellent as anyone who reads once in awhile 
knows, but those whose cultural heritage is limited to ULT pamphlets 
decided I was a Tantrika. A certain well known ULT activist took the 
opportunity to post an email stating that I was a sex pervert. Since 
I never bother to read anything he posts I missed it, and read a 
response by Rich Taylor telling my accuser he was displaying his 
ignorance to the world. That is exactly what he was doing, of 
course, but I was perplexed and searched the archive to see what the 
hell was going on. About the time I found his opening salvo, the 
aforementioned activist started a campaign which involved a nut in 
India (who wrote IN ALL CAPITALS WITH LOTS OF ASTERISKS AND 
EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!) and numerous other kooks. By the time it was 
over Rich was being accused of being a sex pervert, a black magician, 
an agent of the Black Lodge, a Jesuit and several other ridiculous 
things. The fellow who started and continued instigating all this 
started posting notes about how he was a devotee of the 
superior "Heart Doctrine" and everyone else followed the 
inferior "Eye Doctrine." This character does not practice any sort 
of yoga and cannot claim to be a devotee of anything. In the end our 
screwball member in India was demanding (IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS) that 
Rich and I be banished from he list. Rich no longer cared to belong 
to a list populated mostly by morons, and left. I found these 
idiotic emails so hilarious I decided to stay, if only to motivate 
more of the same and enjoy reading them.

I am a non practicing exclusive hetero and have no idea whether Rich 
is homo, hetero, or asexual, and am not interested as it is none of 
my business. I would not say even if I did know. I do admire his 
learning and think it a loss that people like him always end up 
abandoning theosophical lists and thereby lower the quality of the 
discussions thereon to something one might see on a kiddie show on TV.

So far as I rmeember Blofeld's book does not contain a single 
reference to sex, aside from one brief comment that practitioners of 
the red tantra get the same results as those who follow the white, 
much to the consternation of the latter, since white (chaste) tantra 
is no fun. I did not cite this comment and nobody on the list was 
intelligent enough to actually read the book so they did not comment 
on it either.

I do think there is something more than a little hypocritical about 
Leadbeater harping on "celibacy" while molesting children and his 
homosexual lover Jinarajadasa pretending to be celibate and writing 
about his horror that men and women consort with each other. I take 
that about as seriously as the catholic church's homosexual 
priesthood proclaiming as "divine revelation" that men and women 
should avoid each other. Weirdest of all was HPB, who was Marion 
Meade said, "solemnly proclaimed herself to be a virgin" despite 
having had "two husbands, an indeterminate number of lovers, and a 
child." To compound the weirdness, Theosophical literature takes 
this strange claim seriously.

You will find no worthwhile guidance on sex (or much else) in 
theosophical literature.