Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00349)

Dear Pedro and Dallas,

I think the more important point is whether one can openly discuss 
Leadbeater in an open forum or whether a moderator should censor 
anything that disagrees with his own view point. This seems to bother 
me more.

I think in the cause of Universal Brotherhood and our dedication as 
theosophists for truth that Ananda Gholap should open up his 
Theosophical group to discussion without censor. If there is no open 
discussion, what is the point in having a "discussion" group? Is 
there only one right answer and that being yours? It's your group and 
you can do whatever you want, but really, it's not fair to invite us 
to join and then tell us to "shut up!" 

Ariel


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "prmoliveira" <prmoliveira@y...> 
wrote:
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Daniel H. Caldwell" 
> <danielhcaldwell@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> > I'm curious. 
> > 
> > What year do you believe Charles Webster 
> > Leadbeater was born?
> > 
> > And what documents is your answer based on?
> 
> 
> Sometimes I have the impression of being attending an interminable 
> last session of a Holy Inquisition-like tribunal, with Leadbeater 
as 
> the subject being judged. The representatives of the Holy Universal 
> Blavatskyan Assembly (HUBA) have decreed that CWL's trial shall 
> continue for ever and ever, yes, until the end of the Manvantara. 
> His main sin? To have written and taught teachings that the HUBA 
> totally disapproves of. For example, he invented the preposterous 
> notion of an "etheric double", a heresy never to be forgiven, quite 
> dangerous indeed. He declared that a poor and malnourished South 
> Indian boy would one day become a spiritual teacher and a great 
> speaker, greater even than Annie Besant, most horrendous heresy and 
> blasphemy according to the theological principles of HUBA.
> 
> He also wrote, in 1910, that one day Europe would constitute a 
> Federation of nations with a common Parliament, to which the member-
> states would send representatives. HUBA does not seem to have an 
> immediate problem with that, but it finds it is easier to ignore it 
> and therefore chooses to concentrate on accusations like the ones 
> mentioned above. 
> 
> HUBA has appropriated the word 'Theosophy' as an ideological patent 
> which exists as the sixth 'skandha' in the manasic field of their 
> members. One of the mantras practised daily by HUBA members 
> is "Theosophy is Blavatsky. Blavatsky is Theosophy". This is called 
> the 'HUBA Sutra' and its daily practice strengthens the Assembly 
and 
> gives energy for those presiding over Leadbeater's trial. It has 
to, 
> as the trial will go on for another 311,040,000,000,000 years.
> 
> The HUBA's Four Sentimental Propositions are:
> 
> 1. Only what H. P. Blavatsky wrote is Theosophy.
> 
> 2. We don't care if HPB herself does not agree with Proposition no. 
> 1 above.
> 
> 3. All the writers who do not belong to a Blavatskyan descent 
should 
> be permanently exposed, by every possible mean, until the end of 
the 
> cycle.
> 
> 4. There is no independent thinking in HUBA - only Blavatskyan-
> centred thinking. 
> 
> 
> As I step out of the HUBA courtroom I see people, cars, trees, 
> skyes, movement. I hear news about Iraq, Kerry, Halliburton, 
Darfur, 
> activism, young people. A vast wide world. A world HUBA members 
> don't have time to see as their energies are consumed in the trial 
> of the manvantara.
> 
> 
> Pedro