Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00217)

Hi,

Dependent origination implies interdependent origination. Dependent
origination means that everything needs something outside itself for
its subsistence (and 'creation' or origin - hence origination).
Interdependence is merely a way of saying: this means that everything
is ultimately based on everything else. Everything is interdependent.
One doesn't need modern science to see that. For me it helps that I
know a bit about ecology, but a mere seed of that knowledge is
necessery to understand this. 

Sunnyata means void. To deny that means to deny the whole doctrine.
How to understand it is another issue, but it is not useful to say
sunnyata isn't void. That is meaningless. 

Alaya Vijnana is store consciousness: it stores all the past actions,
thoughts, feelings and what is learnt... It has nothing to do with the
future. It is comparable to the auric egg / auric envolope in HPB's
Esoteric Instructions. I'll elaborate on that in my next Lucifer7 (my
monthly newsletter, see my website). 

Katinka
--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, samblo@c... wrote:
> Katinka,
> Thanks for your comments. Well, I have the Earthstore Bodhisatva Sutra
> (Ch'an) and various other books on Sunyat and correlates. But I have
come to 
> the opinion that the classically understood void, emptiness, Maya are 
> regulated and monitored by the limitation that was inherent
anciently when the 
> doctrine was originated due to the absence of any means to
scientifically monitor, 
> view, or telemetrize such idea's as which Science is now becoming
more able to 
> do. It might also be that the doctrine of dependent origination so
classic in 
> multiple teachings could also come to indicate "Interdependent
Origination" 
> which is what Gariaev's Research tends to show, viz that there is a
continuos 
> unbroken sutra of manifestation, communication, and organization from 
> Consciousness to the Non-local, non-temporal void (Quantum Matrix)
into the most subtle 
> energies and thence throughout the ascending hierarchy of organized
matter that 
> constitutes our human vehicle. That this is in effect a de facto
Maya due to 
> our organs of perception limitation which does not see the rest of the 
> iceberg, and is not aware perceptually of the overall fineness of
the entire stream 
> of the standing wave organization that constitutes the Quantum Reality. 
> Buddhism maintains that there is no "abiding" self moment to moment,
I see a strong 
> relation when reading Gariaev's papers and the papers of Robert Neil
Boyd and 
> others. It was for this reason I earlier posted about a
"convergence" of 
> science, religion, and philosophy.
> 
> You mention "This also leads one to the conclusion that it is
linked to the 
> sense of inner unity of everything." The sense of it is the "germ of
the 
> Seed" but what is it actually that takes place and in what form(s)
and how is it 
> manifested? We as Theosophists might consider making the germ into a
Seed and 
> making the Seed grow into a fuller understanding that can bloom in a
more 
> complete fullness. Consciousness, Space ( Real, apparent, and
indeterminate ), and 
> matter-energy are all the perennial set that persist in our mind as
Great 
> questions from the most antiquitous thoughts we have. To me whether
Theosophical, 
> Scientific, or other there is, as said the Law of Nature mentioned
by H.P.B. 
> and the Mahatma's that they say is nonvarible and impersonal so
effecting 
> karmic interactivity that is applied without exception to all that
is in 
> manifestation and has habitat within the energetic creation. Is the
Sunyat void? I think 
> not, the Sunyat is perfectly full and appears as void to lower
perception. 
> But if Alaya Vijnana Earth Store Consciousness, Fifth Skanda
contains the 
> actions, thoughts, deeds, ideas, origination's constructs of all the
past, present, 
> and future of all beings that have come into manifestation, and if
it serves 
> as the repository of karmic futurity and all possible infinite
potentials and 
> possibilities which is also the definition of the Non-local Quantum
Matrix then 
> I see the functional mechanism whereby the natural law is maintained
and 
> matriculated operatively. Additionally, certain traditions about
Prophecy or 
> prophetic ability as contained in Buddhism or other resources may be
directly 
> related to ability to access the Alaya Vijnana by knowledge of
specific Potential 
> that are viewed in it by those who can use it as a resource due to
their 
> altitude of attainment. 
> 
> I did the link to your reference link and saved it, will read later 
> tonight.
> 
> John