Theos-Talk Archives (July 2004 Message tt00187)

I tend to think of this in terms of surfing (I used to surf a lot 
back when I lived in Santa Cruz CA. so pardon the metaphor.)

Desire is when one is moved by the wave. It can take you anywhere, 
even dash you on the rocks.

Volition is fighting the wave. Again, this can lead to good or bad 
results. Long term results are usually worse than simply being 
carried as by desire. It's a state of Ego.

Will is when your are riding the wave. It is a skill, when developed, 
gives you control over your results. With it comes knowledge and 
awareness of waves and their movements. It's an Ego-less state.

Sailing is another good analogy, though I haven't really worked on 
this skill - it's the same thing except using the wind. 

Just some thoughts,

Koshek







--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Hi
> Thanks for the comments.
> Yes, these questions are very hard to answer in a non-puzzling 
way...
> Will, races and rounds are also subjects that always puzzled me a 
little, because they find no similar knowledge in the fields we are 
used to study from childhood to college. We are still bombed with 
Darwin, Malthus theories and in religion we, since very soon, learned 
that a God created everything and then keeps watching us from there 
up.
> I once asked Bart if he thought if Theosophy ever helped Science to 
become less materialist, and I am forced to agree today that the 
answer is NO but what theosophy did was to prove that IT was beyond 
the correct compreension at her age and many things are being 
comfirmed year after year by Science anyway.
> 
> Regards
> Krishtar
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Katinka Hesselink 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:25 PM
> Subject: Theos-World wil, volition, desire
> 
> 
> Desire is something 'you' are not so much in control of (though 
it can
> be mastered). Volition is where we feel that 'I am choosing'. 
Will is
> used in theosophy for the highest aspect of this - a spiritual
> willpower like something.
> 
> Very difficult subject. One can only truly understand if one 
studies
> oneself, the way Dallas suggests, for instance.
> 
> Katinka
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> 
wrote:
> > Dallas,
> > And the occult difference between volition , desire and will?
> > Puzzling.!?
> > Try.
> > Krishtar
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Dallas TenBroeck 
> > To: study@b... 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 3:58 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World : re "exoteric/esoteric," Dallas and ...
> > 
> > 
> > Dear Philip:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > As I understand the word "will" relates to the power we each 
one
> have of
> > choosing to make a decision and then continuing in that until 
the end.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > For example the connection between your thought: " I will 
type and
> use my
> > fingers." And the actual muscular effort to move the 
fingers, is
> caused by
> > an operation of the inner intangible WILL. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Check this out for yourself. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > YOU tell the fingers to move. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The necessary muscles are then moved from within by the 
directed
> will of YOU
> > YOURSELF. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The acquirement of knowledge by listening, seeing, studying is
> still another
> > operation of the will. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > YOU decide to acquire information. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > YOU decide to listen to a lecture, or listen to answers. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > YOU decide to go to the encyclopedia and find out the 
information
> there. 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > YOU read.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > YOU decide (another act of the will) if you will accept or 
reject that
> > information.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > YOU the decide whether you will make a powerful impression 
or a weak
> > impression on your memory.
> 
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