Theos-Talk Archives (June 2004 Message tt00205)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Koshek Swaminathan" 
<arasophia@y...> wrote:
> Say, do you think this is what Damodar did 
> (using another set of vibrating currents?)

Read the story and see what you think. I am sure Daniel has four or 
five copies on his web site.

What the story says is that he had a mahatma letter when he began his 
astral voyage. In the course of the journey he discovered he still 
had the letter, but that he was carrying an etherealized and not 
material version of it. When he got to HPB, the letter materialized 
at its destination. In that story is one of the most important keys 
to understanding how the theosophists thought about this 
teleportation business. That is not to say that the story is true 
(although Daniel will insist that it is) but it is evidence of how 
they LOOKED at the matter, whether it is true or not. That in turn 
is a key to understamding some of the comments about the subject made 
by HPB and others, which otherwise are inscrutable. What people will 
disagree on is whether it is worth understanding.

> In terms of What is Rupa? I think what you may be talking about is 
> the Etheric Double.

Yes.

> The Mental Model would need to be made into a 
> Kamic Model and then into an Etheric one ? how do you suppose 
that's 
> done?

Everything begins as a concept before it becomes a manifestation. 
The only thing that distinguishes theosophy in this respect seems to 
be that theosophy regards the mental model as you call it to be an 
actual thing, and not just a useful abstraction.

> Anyway, I don't buy that mind over matter stuff

If your mind is formulating your emails and your fingers are typing 
it, then unless I am missing something your mind is affecting matter 
(unless your fingers are non material.) As I said, how this happens 
is still a mystery, at least to this observer. The medical model of 
course denies the existence of mind, holding with JB Watson that all 
the books he wrote were the product of random muscle spasms. Having 
read some of Watson's stuff when I was at the university, I think his 
theory is right about his own books, but insist on believing that 
others have minds. Watson's publisher must have been suffering from 
random muscle spasms or his stuff would never have been published, 
IMHO.

> I do think that 
> the Damodar incident (and the teacup) may be possible. Television
> moves entire pictures. There may be an etheric wavelenth that can
> carry entire etheric doubles.

The etheric double would have to be a packet of energy with a 
considerable amount of information in it, including not only the 
shape of the object, however complex, but also the types of atoms 
which make it up. That would require a substantial amount of 
bandwidth. That this is possible in theory, though, however, is a 
fact of physics. Energy packets do exist and they do carry 
information.

If this is the correct explanation one wonders if such a thing as 
materialization would be possible today with all the EMI generated by 
cell phones, hair dryers, and wireless cordless electric nose hair 
clippers. Especially those nose hair clippers would surely turn 
erudite mahatma letters into the kind of stuff we see in the 
newspapers every day. It might even make Koot Hoomi sound like Rush 
Limbaugh.

> It all must come down to science if 
> it's to make any kind of sense, a science still waiting to be 
> discovered but perhaps is right now only known to a few like 
Damodar 
> and HPB

Well, yes, and the rudiments of it are in volume 1 of the SD. The 
question is, are the theories scientifically valid and were they ever 
demonstrated, or is Bart right in his adamant insistence that it was 
all a squalid fake? If it was never demonstrated then it is just a 
theory, or worse.