Theos-Talk Archives (May 2004 Message tt00114)

Dear Dallas,

Thanks for the references. I was thinking about writing a dissertation to 
clarify my previous comments on light when I read Zakk's essays -- which 
explained light far less clearly than in the SD. And, in fact, confused and possibly 
contradicted both the esoteric and the scientific views that were formally 
quite complementary to each other and easily explainable in mathematically 
consistent positive terms when looked at from either direction. Naturally, to 
avoid confusion, it is wise to separate the objective or illusory physical nature 
of light, from its subjective ideational level, when discussing it from either 
of those points of view. 

As for "black" light/substance -- in contrast to physical "white" or 
sidereal light/substance (visible photons) -- I still claim, based on the Secret 
Doctrine as well as my own scientific reasoning, that such light is simply the 
opposite negative (pulling) force that balances the positive (pushing) force 
behind the radiation of all light rays from the spiritual to the physical. 
This is equivalent to the theosophical claim that both gravity and light, as 
aspects of the primal Absolute "spinergy" of the initial Laya point, are dual 
forces based on the laws of attraction and repulsion -- due to initial conditions 
prior to emanation. This also is consistent with all the laws of symmetry 
and conservation accepted by modern physics. 

I also see this initial condition of light as causative within the 
inherent nature of the fundamental spin force (spinergy) -- or abstract (circular) 
motion of the Void -- that can turn as positive or negative moments of force, 
both clockwise and counterclockwise. If looked into even deeper, this dual 
nature of light, can be further broken down into four primary forces -- dual 
negative and dual positive, each ray of which, being of a sinuous nature, have 
both a positive and negative vibratory aspect in addition to their forward and 
backward directional motion aspect. In the study of electricity we see this as 
both forward and back EMF. All of it based on the fundamental laws of cycles 
and periodicity -- which is immutably inherent in fundamental spin motion, 
that is the eternal nature of Absolute, pre Cosmic space. 

Therefore, there's no vagueness, magic or mystery about any of this from 
the point of view of pure occultism or true theosophical science. And, there 
is no such "thing" as the "light" of inspiration, ideas, etc. -- since that 
is simply a figure of speech referring to the information carried in the 
vibratory interference patterns of any fundamental light ray emanating from a "laya" 
point (the central point of origination of any Monad) on any level of 
consciousness. The obscuration or "dimness" of this "light" carried information can 
only come about through one's own personal ignorance.

Incidentally, the spin motion of absolute force ("spinergy") surrounding 
any zero Laya point can be considered as "abstract motion" -- since what is 
spinning has no dimensional spatial measurement, and therefore, does not exist 
(as far as our objective space is concerned). In other words -- only the 
"opened eye of the Dangma" can see it... And then it's only that shell of motion 
surrounding that Absolute Space -- that can be seen as the "fire" or noumena of 
all aspects of light (that can only be approached, but whose flame can never 
be touched). 

It follows, that the light of Absolute wisdom and knowledge is of 
infinite force or power, and can never go out or be diminished... Although it can be 
"dimmed" to us in varying degrees, as we look through our individual mirrors 
of consciousness, darkly... And, get caught up in our own personal 
reflections, or hemmed in behind our wrong views. From the position of the one who can 
see the eternal truths in their full light of inner vision, it follows 
Krishna's statement about creating this entire universe out of one small part of 
himself, and remaining separate (undiminished and outside of all phenomenal space 
and time). 

Those who can see, will see, and those who can't, will keep on 
pontificating with vague inferences, unfocussed words of variable meanings, and no 
unequivocal statements of logically, if not scientifically verifiable facts. 

Best wishes,

Lenny



In a message dated 05/12/04 8:14:07 AM, dalval14@earthlink.net writes:

>May 12 2004
>
> 
>
>Dear Zakk
>
>You present some interesting views and analogies concerning light and
>darkness as we know them - and, as vibratory effects on our eye and
>then those are perceived to be interpreted in our brains for
>consideration by our REAL SELVES the EGO in us. 
>
>It is also agreed that we already, many of us, have studied modern
>science and have adopted many other terms and understandings about the
>action of light and other vibratory forces on this our present
>physical plane. 
>
>Since you are working on the SECRET DOCTRINE as regards these two
>forces, may I send you some of the references I have found ?
>
>There is also a mass of information to be had concerning the "Astral
>Light" all around us on which are imprinted the record of our
>thoughts, feelings and actions. One also speaks of the "Light of the
>Mind" and, of the "flash" of intuition. In Theosophy these, the mind
>and the Buddhi are aspects where light gives us by analogy a clearer
>understanding of their nature and qualities 
>
>But in all these we sense that there is as a basic root principle: the
>ATMA - the ONE SPIRIT in us -- as a Ray of the UNIVERSAL SPIRIT. It
>employs these various "principles" that constitute every human being
>into a sentient and intelligent UNITY, and, in fact: all things in
>nature are sevenfold. 
>
>The basic element is called in the SECRET DOCTRINE the MONAD; and it
>is described as an indissoluble unit of SPIRIT / MATTER (or ATMA /
>BUDDHI) where ATMA is spirit and BUDDHI is primordial matter. These
>MONADS of which we are one at our core, are immortals and are
>therefore called the "Eternal Pilgrims." 
>
> There is more to be obtained form THEOSOPHY on this practical
>philosophical description of evolution and mankind as one of its
>advanced aspects.
>
> You will notice that the explanations and analogies used in the SECRET
>DOCTRINE differ somewhat from your formulation and use.
>
>Here they are.
>
> [with thanks to some of the Van Matter references to be
>fund in
>
> S D INDEX. THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY,
>Pasadena]
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>LIGHT
>
>absolute, is darkness I 69-70, 201, 337; II 95, 489 
>adepts know every phase of I 516 
>Aditi or primordial II 107 
>aspect of universal motion I 147 
>"Boundless," of Gnostics I 577 
>called a god esoterically I 672 
>comes fr darkness I 40-1; II 485-6, 488, 492 
>cosmic desire becomes absolute I 201 II 41
>creative II 233, 239 
>darkness & I 70, 450; II 162, 412-14 
>differentiated, becomes Fohat I 216 
>discribed I 41, 70, 481-9, 579-80; II 37-40 
>drops ray into Mother I 64 
>electricity & I 508-9, 579-80 
>Fire, Flame &, (Stanzas) I 81-2 &n 
>force, vibration I 483 
>generated in darkness II 492 
>God not light, but cause of I 285 
>heat & I 2-3, 515n; II 130 
>infinite ocean of I 481 
>is cold flame I 82 
>of Logos, Christos I 216; II 38 
>Lords of Being & condensed II 33 
>minerals are, crystallized & immetallized II 169 
>mysteries focus of II 281 
>nature of, not understood I 493 
>noumenal, phenomenal I 145-6 
>Occult Catechism on I 120 
>physical, reflects divine I 259n 
>primordial, dual II 36-7 130
>primordial, is seventh principle I 216 
>primordial, or central sun I 344 
>produces no evil II 490 
>purely phenomenal effect I 146 
>science re I 530-1, 554, 591, 595, 597 
>secondary effect of other causes I 484 
>shadow &, exist eternally II 214 
>shineth in darkness I 70 
>sidereal, of Paracelsus I 255 
>spirit & matter I 481 
>spiritual, how men put out II 413 
>springs fr upadhi of ether I 515n 
>Sun not cause of I 580 
>svara &, (Subba Row) I 270n 
>three kinds of II 37-8 
>three sacred number of II 590 
>true source of I 621n 
>ultimate causes of, discussed I 514-17 
>unknown, & Logos II 703 &n
>
>Sight
>
>double set of I 533-4 
>inner II 294n 
>man's spiritual, blinded II 74 
>
>Fire (of Mind). See also Lucifer, Prometheus
>
>black, of Zohar (wisdom) II 162 210
>creative II 101, 270, 414 
>higher self or II 109 
>of passions II 99, 105 
>producer II 244 
>Promethean, became a curse II 412-13 523-4
>-self or light of initiation II 570 
>seven circles of, (Pymander) II 103, 232, 275n, 448 
>spiritual, of middle principle II 79
>
>Fires. 
>
>alchemy & secret of II 106 
>Earth product of three II 247 
>forty-nine I 291, 439n, 520-1; II 57 &n, 85, 362, 521, 564 
>represent spirit or male element II 64 
>sacred, or Kabiri, Kumaras II 106 363
>seven & forty-nine I 291, 411; II 57 &n, 362-3, 564 
>three, seven, or forty-nine II 247, 363 
>
>Fire-Self
>
>an ever-living power II 570 
>one with the universal Spirit II 638 &n
>
>Darkness
>
>absolute light I 41, 53 69, 70, 134; II 37-8, 95, 489 
>Brahma germ of unknown I 83 
>breathes over waters I 63-4 
>comprehends it (light) not I 70 
>concealed deity (Gnos) I 74 
>condition during pralaya I 69 
>Deity is Nothing & I 350 
>on face of deep I 70, 336-7, 374, 426; II 59 
>Father-Mother or I 40-1 
>form of, & generation of light I 41, 110 
>light &, the same (Fludd) I 70 
>light comes fr I 40-1, 70, 110; II 485-6, 488, 492 
>light divided fr I 254 
>monad returns into I 427 
>Mother Space coeval w I 99 
>pre-cosmic, divine All I 450n 
>principle of all things II 485-6 
>pure spirit I 70 
>self-existent Lord & I 333 II 564 
>Sons of Light fr absolute I 481 II 162 
>surrounds egg, circle, head I 443 
>svabhavat radiance of I 635 
>That, abstract Deity, or I 77 
>universal light is, to man I 337 
>Unknown, I 356 
>voidness, non-ego & I 42
>
>Vibration(s)
>
>atomic, in nature I 455, 633 
>awaken corresponding powers I 307 
>commanding forces by means of I 514n 
>eternal, of matter I 118n, 507-8n 
>imponderable substances cause I 587 
>last, of seventh eternity I 62 
>of light & sound I 554 
>masters perceive causes of I 514 
>of molecules I 515 
>music, color, etc II 628 
>power of I 563 
>table of various I 562
>
>correctness of, for Earth I 514, 524-5 
>
>Sensation
>
>every atom has, (Haeckel) II 673 
>mind ultimately rests upon I 2n 
>nerve molecules & 134n 
>space & I 555n
>
>Sense(s). See also Hearing, Sight, Smell, Taste, Touch
>
>barrier to spiritual development II 296 
>beings with more or less I 608n 
>buddhi is seventh II 639 
>characteristics of matter & I 251 
>developed w physical man II 298 
>die before the body I 459n 
>evolution of outer II 294 II 295 
>fire (self) burns lower five, away II 639 
>five, & illusion I 329-30 II 106-7 
>five, six, seven, explained I 535n 
>inner, atrophied in early races II 294 
>jnanasakti & I 292 
>loss of physical II 370n 
>organs of, originate from elements I 284-5 
>pentacle a symbol of five I 125 
>physical, II 106 
>rudimentary, produced 1st I 447 
>Self beyond perception of II 568 
>seven, & causes of action I 535 &n 
>seven, & seven priests I 87, 96; II 630 I 268 &n 
>seven spiritual & physical I 534 
>sixth, & permeability I 251, 258 
>double set of I 534
>
>Magnetism
>
>aspect of universal motion I 147 
>atmospheric, of naturalists I 338n 
>cosmic, & gravitation I 497-9 
>Fohat & seven forms of I 145 
>iron &, occult properties of II 371 &n 
>kundalini sakti & I 293 
>lunar I 394, 398 
>mesmerism & I 297 
>molecular expl of, inadequate II 719 
>nature of, not understood I 498 
>not a mode of motion I 484, 496, 516 
>noumenal, phenomenal I 145-6 
>secondary effect I 484 
>solar system revolutions & I 501 
>terrestrial, & anima mundi II 562 
>ultimate causes of I 514-17
>
>Electricity. See also Fohat
>
>aspect of universal motion I 147 
>astral fluid lower aspect of I 81 
>called a god esoterically I 672 
>an effect, not a cause I 517 
>an entity I 76, 111n 
>first produced by friction I 517 
>fluid I 508, 516 
>form of atomic vibration I 562 
>grossest effects alone seen I 554 
>Grove defines I 469, 496 
>harmony in laws of II 622 
>immaterial, non-molecular I 508 
>is matter & atomic I 111n, 580, 584, 671n 
>Keely's views on I 560, 562 
>kundalini-sakti & I 293 
>life-, aspect of Fohat I 139; II 65 
>life of universe I 137, 139, 338, 541 
>light & life are I 579 
>light &, material I 580 
>light, fire, water born of I 81-2 
>matter affected by invisible power I 469 
>mystery of I 79 
>nature of, not understood I 493, 498 
>not a property of matter I 493 
>noumenal, phenomenal I 145-6 
>noumenon of, conscious cause I 517 
>One Life, highest aspect of I 81-2, 139 
>poles of Earth & I 205 
>secondary effect of causes I 484 
>seven primary forces of I 554 
>springs fr upadhi of ether I 515n 
>Sun storehouse of I 531 
>Sun's vital, & matter I 602 
>vital, leaves body at death I 673 
>zero point of I 551
>
>circulates thru Earth II 400 &n
>
> {with thanks to the Van Matter S D INDEX.
>THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY, Pasadena.
>
> I think this is a most valuable Index. -- DTB ]
>
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>
>Best wishes
>
>Dallas