Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00405)

Hallo Krishtar and all:

My views are:

Try www.google.com or similar.
Try the Akasha library.

The following is the 'lazy' guide.

a)
Idries Shah said about Khidr:

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The Sufis tell many stories about Kidhr. To give the flavor of these stories
I will include one here:

"Once, while standing on the banks of the Oxus river, I saw a man fall in.
Another man, in the clothes of a dervish, came running to help him, only to
be dragged into the water himself. Suddenly a third man, dressed in a robe
of shimmering, luminous green, hurled himself into the river. As he struck
the surface, his form changed. He was no longer a man, but a log. The other
two men managed to cling to this and get to the bank.

Hardly able to believe what I was seeing, I followed at a distance, using
the bushes that grew there as a cover. The men crawled panting onto the
bank, and the log floated away. I watched it until, out of sight of the two
men, it drifted to the side, and the green-robed man, soaked and sodden,
dragged himself ashore. The water streamed from him so quickly that before I
reached him he was almost dry.

I threw myself on the ground in front of him, crying: 'You must be the
Presence Khidr, the Green One, Master of Saints. Bless me, for I would
attain.' I was afraid to touch his robe, because it seemed to be of green
fire.

He said: 'You have seen too much. Understand that I come from another world
and am, without their knowing it, protecting those who have service to
perform." When I looked up, he was gone, and all I could hear was a rushing
sound in the air."
http://www.sirbacon.org/mshrew.htm

Interesting website by the way:
http://www.sirbacon.org (Try F5 a few times. Smile.)

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Also:
http://www.leben-sterben.de/truth.htm

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There is a strong spiritual connection between Hermes of Egpt and Khidr. In
fact, some consider them to be one and the same being.
A Uwayssi-type initiation was a form of wisdom known to and practiced by
Thrice Great Hermes of Egypt.
This is attested to by Shurawardi.
Shurawardi, who was honored as 'the Master of Illumination', taught that all
the sages of the ancient world had preached one doctrine, originally
revealed to Hermes, which had reached him through his teachers Al-Bistami
and Al-Hallaj. And we all know what happened to Al-Hallaj in Bhagdad and
why.
He portrayed the sages Pythagoras and Empedocles as Sufis. Shurawardi
attempted to create a universal philosophical system which united all
spiritual traditions into one. He made it his life's work to link what he
called the 'Oriental' religion with Islam. He taught that the original
single doctrine was transmitted through Plato and Pythagoras in the Greek
world and through the Zoroastrian Magi in the Middle East. For his noble
endeavors the Islamic Literalists had him put to death.

"Khidr {is} experienced simultaneously as a person and as an archetype . . .
To have him as a master and initiand is to be obliged to be what he himself
is. Khidr is the master of all those who are masterless, because he shows
all those whose master he is how to be what he himself is: he who has
attained the Spring of Life . . . he who has attained haqiqa, the mystic,
esoteric truth which dominates the Law, and frees us from the literal
religion. Khidr is the master of all these, because he shows each one how to
attain the spiritual state which he himself has attained and which he
typifies . . ." writes Henry Corbin in "Creative Imagination in the Sufism
of Ibn 'Arabi".

"He . . . who is the disciple of Khidr possesses sufficient inner strength
to seek freely the teaching of all masters. Of this the biography of Ibn
`Arabi, who frequented all the masters of his day and welcomed their
teachings, offers living proof," again attests Corbin.


"A teacher is someone who is able to connect instructionally with you,"
Idries Shah says. "He need not be physically present. You don't even have to
know him. He doesn't have to have a white beard and sandals. In a sense, a
teacher need not even be a person. I was once walking with a group of people
including a spiritual teacher, and someone asked him, 'What is a guru?' And
he pointed to a stone in the road and said, 'Look, if I fall over that stone
and I learn from that event to look where I'm going that stone is my guru.'
The teaching role should be an instrument, not an opportunity for theater,
not a source of self-gratification." A humorous Jerrahi dervish friend of
mine once referred to this type of "theater" as "Effendi TV".

The academician commonly is more interested in gaining information to swell
his or her bag of facts, than to open him or herself up to psycho-spiritual
transmutation. This wisdom would be wasted on those whose only interest is
to rape wisdom for academic data. Academicians of the arcane fall prey to
the illusion that they can label and control that which will always be
partially unknowable, fluid and chaotic. To approach spirituality form an
academic point of view may yield valuable information about the framework of
the spiritual way, but never about the alchemical mysteries themselves.
El-Ghazali reveals, "A child has no real knowledge of the attainments of an
adult. An ordinary adult cannot understand the attainments of a learned man.
In the same way a learned man cannot understand the experiences of
enlightened saints or Sufis."

"Because a certain person did or said something, because a certain group of
people followed a certain path, these things - when blindly followed or
rationalized - are believed to confer sanctity, to be better than other
things, to constitute a 'Way'. Few things are further from the truth. The
truth, of course, is that vanity brings imitation. Imitation is not a way to
truth."

http://www.quiddity-inc.com/id4.html

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Also www.khidr.org

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b)
The Little Green Men, folklore and ufology :

The talk about Little Green Men can be found in ancient folklore as well as
present day ufology.
If one digs deep enough into ancient folklore, one will learn something
about this strange phaenommenon
called "Little Green Men" og similar. Trolls and goblins near the forrests
has often in the past been referred to by the term Little Green Men.

Green leaves. The green Branch. The Order of the Garter.

A book by: Aage Skjelborg from Sweden named "Ufonauten" discusses these
issues as well as other books.
Also Jacques Vallee has been writing about it.
The views are, that The Little Green Men is both a psychological related
phaenommenon and as well as a spiritual related one.



There is much more...

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


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From: "krishtar" <krishtar_a@brturbo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 11:41 AM
Subject: Theos-World green guide - Morten


> Dear Morten
> In a message you said, among other things, the following:
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> a) Try to ponder on who Khidr also known as the Green Guide is - and how
> it - relates to the Little Green Men issue. And who the Gray's are in this
> relation.
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> Can you please enrich this reference for further research please?
> the entire message is bellow, for your control:
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> Thanks
> Krishtar
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> Hallo Krishtar and all,
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> My views are:
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> Let me ask you just to see if it might help you:
> Why do you want to know this ?
> Will you only really know this when you yourself have experienced it ?
> If so, why not prepare your own self to experience it ?
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> My view is what needs to know only sometimes is what one Wants to know.
> And it is important to understand, that is not always the same.
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> I have experienced that the number seven is important to our human
> evolution - on certain levels of the ladder of initiation.
> But so are the other numbers each in its own manner. There are spiritual
> fruitful interest in numbers and there are also a less fruitful interest.
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> Emailing is not the only option when receiving information about life in
> cosmos.
> And it is not the best option if anyone want to give a good answer to your
> question.
> But let us remember, that These are just my views
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> Here are a few ideas which came in:
> a) Try to ponder on who Khidr also known as the Green Guide is - and how
> it - relates to the Little Green Men issue. And who the Gray's are in this
> relation.
> b) The Human evolution is more than one thing. Some of us are solid
physical
> and others not quite so.
> Some are only physical a few hours or minutes during long timeperiods.
> c) Time is not easily understood by many. Transcend time and you have the
> answer to evolution and spiritual development, globes and rounds.
> d) Forms are forms and belong to the form dimension. What do we really
> understand Maya to be ?
> e) Try to Read the Adawaita Vedanta teachings by Shankara - and the
Adwaita
> vivaraNa School and how it relates to the Adwaita bhAmatI School.
> http://www.advaita-vedanta.org/avhp/
> I know, that it perhaps appearntly do not have anything to do with Globes,
> rounds etc. But later on one will understand.
> f) Bruce Reichenbach: "The Law of Karma" could also be helpful. The
Adwaita
> view of his is quite giving although I do not agree entirely with his own
> view.
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> Did this help ?
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> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
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