Theos-Talk Archives (April 2004 Message tt00363)

I am totally open to the possibility that someone of significance may 
be on earth preparing to save the world. The only problem is, if 
this is true it is something we can test and thus far I have not seen 
anything.

Some years ago Creme said this fellow he is fronting for was about to 
get off the pot and announce his presence to the world. If you 
happened to be watching telecvision, his face and voice would 
miraculously preempt whatever you happened to be watching. If you 
were listening to the radio, the programming would be interrupted so 
you could hear his voice. If you were doing neither, you would hear 
his voice as if out of the ether. Creme gave the exact date on which 
this Manifestation would occur. I like that because it is a put up 
or shut up moment.

Unfortunately, Creme did neither. There was no face and no voice and 
Creme did not shut up. He maintained that the promised Manifestation 
did in fact occur, blithely ignoring the fact that nobody else on the 
planet seems to agree with him. That seemed to me to constitute a 
prima facie case that Creme was a crank at best.

There is a book by an English student of Nicolas Roerich who called 
himself "Guru RH" (Ralph Houston) called TALK DOES NOT COOK THE 
RICE. (He is right, by the way. I have chatted up a whole bowl of 
rice for a long time and it was still raw an hour later.) It is a 
documented fact that Roerich visited Tibet in the 1920s and he 
claimed while there to have become a chela of the Master Morya. The 
book is a transcription of a series of cassette tapes Houston 
released before his death. Some of it is pretty wacky, but he 
strikes me as having been sincere. Anyway, he claims at a Vedanta 
center in L.A. years ago there was a Visitation by what the students 
there thought was the Maitreya and that other sightings have occurred 
elsewhere in the world. Apparently these were not ordinary 
appearances but visions or hallucinations, depending on what 
prejudice you favor. Creme was not involved in this to my knowledge 
and I do not believe Houston was a liar. There are two problems 
here: (1) there is no evidence in the accounts I have seen that the 
person seen was Maitreya, and (2) if he was, why doesn't he get off 
the pot the way Creme said his guy would? So I am still open but not 
yet persuaded.

My take on the whole thing is that there is so much fraud and 
tomfoolery out there that life should be our Teacher and our own 
experiences the ones that we trust. Having had a lot of really 
amazing experiences I am not as vynical as most people, but believe 
strongly in maintaining a critical sense to avoid being taken in by 
the crackpots.

Incidentally, Houston's book contains interesting information on the 
experiences of people who believed themselves to be initiated chelas, 
and a few sketchy details on the initiations they experienced.

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" 
<christinaleestemaker@y...> wrote:
> -Hallo Steve,
> Certainly I am not believing in that Creme; Totally not.
> In our Dutch list one give that site of www.shareintl.org,I have 
seen 
> that derty face before on a maitreya site, he looks like a moslim. 
> But after some research I find a more intersting url 
> http:www.maitreya.org , not of that Creme I think, because they 
give 
> a very good explanation of the Essence and Man in Universe.All I 
put 
> on a cd before it will be away.
> That explanate more then the theosophy.
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> I don't need to buy a bridge; I already have a ladder.
> 
> Christina
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> -- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@y...> 
> wrote:
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "christinaleestemaker" 
> > <christinaleestemaker@y...> wrote:
> > > Hallo all of you;
> > > wHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?
> > 
> > I think that guy needs a shave and a cleaner bed sheet worse than 
> > anyone else I ever saw.
> > 
> > As for Creme, he has made prediction after prediction which has 
not 
> > come true and yet he is still with us. If you believe he is for 
> real 
> > I have a bridge you might be interested in buying.