Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00680)

Morten,

In my posting at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/15526

I asked you:

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How do YOU account for those SIMILARITIES between
Bailey's "Initiation - Human and Solar" and
Leadbeater's "The Masters and the Path."

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Apparently in the following posting, you answered
my question:

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The mentioned similarities between this Bailey book 
and the CWL book "The Masters and the Path" are due to . . . :

..."that each Wisdom Teaching of a certain quality is
connected with
a) Time, place people and circumstances
b) promoting a teaching in accordance with the following view as the 
above link said:
"So very important: The use of ideas is to shape a man or woman, not 
to support a system - which is viewed in a limited manner. This is 
one way in which the Wisdom Tradition is 'living', and not just the 
perpetuations of ideas and movements. This seems important to 
understand and know about."

The same can be said of Bailey's book, and why there were any 
similarities. With other words - it is my view that this was the an 
important part of the background for Bailey (and D.K.) writing the 
first Bailey book. The similarities was made deliberately.
This was what my previous email should have lead the reader to 
understand. 

Quoted from:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/15551

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Morten, in order to clarify your remarks,
I ask you the following:

In your answer above, are you in fact AGREEING OR DISAGREEING
with what Jerry HE has written????

I quote his words again to refresh your memory:

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"From my earlier perusal of AAB's writings, I found that many
of her teachings were DRAWN DIRECTLY from Besant and Leadbeater's
E.S. writings."

"She [Bailey]moved to Krotona Hollywood a year or two
thereafter where she joined the ES, and GAINED
ACCESS to the [Besant/Leadbeater] material concerning
the inner government and initiations, which was
only circulated through the ES at that time. . . ."

". . . [Bailey's] Initiation Human and Solar was published
in 1922—her first book—I think. I read it some years ago,
and found it VERY FAITHFUL to the [Besant/Leadbeater]ES
teachings as they were presented from 1910-1918."

"Yes the parallels between Masters on the Path and Initiation Human
and Solar are striking, aren't they? Actually, the originator of the
material was CWL, but not in 1925." Caps added.

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Morten, do you agree or disagree with Jerry HE that Bailey
gained access to the Besant/Leadbeater E.S. material when she
became a member of the E.S.?

Do your agree or disagree with Jerry HE that therefore with
this access, it is not surprising that "many of her teachings 
were DRAWN DIRECTLY from Besant and Leadbeater's E.S. writings"??

I think Jerry's explanation is quite reasonable and explains very
well why there are such marked similarities between the Bailey
and Leadbeater books.

Bailey became a member of the E.S., gained access to the 
Besant/Leadbeater E.S. teachings and later decided for whatever
reasons to embody those Besant/Leadbeater teachings in her first 
book, if not also in later works of hers. Do you agree or disagree 
with this?

If you do not agree with these various contentions, then I would like 
to know why you disagree?  

Daniel