Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00548)

--- leonmaurer@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 03/23/04 2:27:57 PM,
> netemara888@yahoo.com writes:
> 
> >--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky
> <bartl@s...> wrote:
> >> Morten Nymann Olesen wrote:
> >> > * Creation is an incorrect word to use, as no
> religion, not even 
> >> > the sect of the Visishta Adwaitees in India --
> one which
> >> > anthropomorphises even Parabrahmam -- believes
> in creation out of
> >> > nihil as Christians and Jews do, but in
> evolution out of 
> >> > preexisting materials.
> >> 
> >> Which means that Blavatsky clearly didn't do her
> research. 
> >> The Jews do not believe in "creation out of
> nihil"; read the first chapter 
> of 
> >> Genesis; Creation is clearly described as taking
> undifferentiated 
> >> substance and turning it into differentiated
> substance.
> >> 
> >> Bart
> >
> >Hey Bart, I'm back from dancing in the sands off
> the ocean.
> >
> >Creation was THE WORD. There is no substance in the
> Word. The Word 
> >was made flesh, etc.. This is also the tie that
> theoretical and 
> >experimental physicists are so excited about. They
> are making this 
> >connection to the "Big Bang." This is what has them
> shocked that 
> >dark matter is greater in the universe, more
> powerful and more 
> >important than "light." Light is a created matter.
> But out of what? 
> >
> >The WORD is the source of all creation. I think
> that is what I or 
> >HPB if you will, meant by "out of nihil."
> >
> >Netemara
> 
> Nihil means nil or nothing. And the WORD cannot be
> anything but the 
> unconditioned energetic (although, insubstantial)
> precursor of conditioned matter or 
> substance -- and, therefore, some "thing in itself."
> As Krishna said in the 
> Gita, "I create this entire universe out of one
> small part of myself, yet remain 
> separate (or undiminished)."
> 
> The biblical "WORD" (especially as understood in its
> original Hebrew) is an 
> allegorical expression referring to the vibrational
> patterns of primal 
> substance... In theosophical terms, "The eternal
> abstract motion of space," and in 
> scientific terms, the eternal "spinergy" of the
> zero-point. So, Bart is correct.
> 
> However, I think that HPB, by properly using "nihil"
> in her statement, was 
> referring to the generally accepted interpretation
> of the Bible by the common 
> laity of both the Christians and Jews (but not the
> Kabbalists) -- who believe 
> that their personal or anthropomorphised God is
> separate from His creation, and 
> made the light by some sort of miraculous process.
> Thus, they fancy that God 
> "created" the universe out of nihil or nothing. 
> 
> In reality, the manifest Universe of Light is
> created (emanated) out of the 
> "darkness" of space (or the unimaginable spinning of
> the emptiness) which is 
> that force of angular momentum, or "spinergy"
> itself. This, therefore, is the 
> fundamental root or potential "beness" of all
> substance (or as some quantum 
> physicists say, "beable") -- whether conditioned or
> not (as either infinite 
> abstract, unexpressed primal Force, or expressed
> Mass-energy). 
> 
> Therefore, the physical universe emanates out of an
> ever ineffable 
> "something" (which materialist science, unknowingly,
> can only call "dark Matter"). And, 
> since its forms of genetic precursors and their
> products are determined by 
> varying vibrational complexity's of forces or
> energies arranged in organized 
> instructional encoding of words and sentences
> (analogous to the DNA genetic code 
> of the microcosm) -- "In the beginning was the WORD"
> or EIN SOPH expressed in 
> the ten SEPHIROTH. (That's a no brainer. :-)
> 
> Leon
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