Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00489)

In a message dated 03/15/04 9:16:48 PM, ananda_hotai@hotmail.com writes:

>>From: leonmaurer@aol.com
>>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Hitler, Nazism, the Holocaust, Holocaust
>
>>Denial, Anti-Semitism, and Neo-Nazism
>>Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 05:44:56 EST
>>
>>In a message dated 03/13/04 11:59:18 PM, ananda_hotai@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>> >>From: leonmaurer@aol.com
>> >>Reply-To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>> >>To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
>> >>Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Hitler, Nazism, the Holocaust, Holocaust
>> >
>> >>Denial, Anti-Semitism, and Neo-Nazism
>> >>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 16:19:33 EST
>> >>
>> >>--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > So, where is it written that, once you die, you come back immediately
>> >> > into a new body?
>> >>
>> >>The Tulku Lamas such as the Dalai and Panchen, do it every time.
>> >
>> >They have an entire system in place, don't they? Makes a difference.
>>
>>Yes. I describe it below.
>>
>> >>I'm sure HPB knew all about that and how they do it.
>> >>Being a Bodhisattva, I'm also sure she's still around.
>> >>I wouldn't figure who, though... Since, she may be a baby now
>> >> -- unless she decided to do a "walk-in" to a grown up body.
>> >>She could be either a watcher or a doer, but also might just be just
>> >>hanging around in an Astral body. It's anybody's guess.
>> >>What would you choose if you were she?
>> >>
>> >>LHM
>> >
>> >Her birthday would be May 9, her Sun sign Taurus, Ascendant late Virgo.
>> >Female again.
>>
>>Well, which May 9 would you pick since she died?
>
>1978, if I were to pick a year. If you're an advanced student of astrology,
>I could make a case for it.

Actually, the Birthday of HPB is arguably between July 31 and August 12. She 
died on May 8th, however.

But, If that's the year you think she may have come back and given out a new 
teaching, I think you may be right. Since, that's just about the exact time I 
sat down to write in a furious overnight trance state the entire treatment 
and story line for a futuristic movie screenplay chronicling the prophetic 
history of the 21st century, in which the entire theory of ABC -- providingthe 
scientifically consistent truth and potential proof of HPB's metaphysics and the 
holographic unity of consciousness, mind and matter -- was revealed to me.  
(See my web site at: 
http://users.aol.com/uniwldarts/uniworld.artisans.guild/solwldcrystposter.html
 
and, http://tellworld.com/Astro.Biological.Coenergetics )

Of course, you can take all of what follows as a figment of my imagination 
(which I won't affirm or deny:-) But, as a long time student of the Secret 
Doctrine, as well as having thoroughly examined all of HPB's writings and gotten 
to know his/her inner nature pretty well, I had the distinct impression that I 
was receiving the scientific information, if not the storylines, directly from 
the same source of whomever, wherever or whatever gave HPB her scientific 
insight and foresight.  

Since I always had a particular feeling of rapport with her soul nature 
whenever I read anything she wrote, I had a strange feeling, accompanied bya sense 
of wonder, that she was talking directly to me... Especially, when I read, or 
actually chanted, her words with inflectional emphasis (as if I were singing 
it operatically) -- which, btw, is a helpful oral teaching technique that both 
my alchemist/kabbalist father as well as HPB taught me for purposes of 
studying esoteric occult material. I must say also, that by doing this, I may have 
inadvertently opened some doors for HPB to "walk in," so to speak -- by 
unknowingly using some intuitive techniques related to "affinities", 
"correlation's," and "assimilation's" pointed to by HPB (and also confirmedby Ruth 
Montgomery, Alice Bailey, Carlos Castenada, Jane Roberts, among others).  

For the benefit of serious students who might be reading this -- the 
resulting mantras (due to such chanting) subliminally induces certain bodily mudras, 
and mental mandala visualizations -- that are powerful means for focussing the 
mind. This, along with the will to know, leads to a strong memory of the 
visualizations, as well as a fuller comprehension of their deeper meanings.(Some 
of the automatic writing and drawing of margin notes in books may also be a 
product of such methods of study.)  

These techniques, BTW, can also be used for healing purposes, and are very 
helpful in Vipassana meditation. (I'm sure HPB will not be disturbed by my 
exposing such formerly occult secrets -- although she gave many hints, and laid 
down enough clues by her "tells" in her voluminous writings, for most intuitive 
students to find out for themselves.:-) 

During such study in the SD (over a period of more than ten years, daily) 
whenever I didn't understand a particular statement, I would inadvertently fall 
into a meditative trance state -- (most likely induced by the mantric chanting, 
which, incidentally, can also be done silently). When I awakened a few 
minutes later, I would have a more or less full understanding of the deeper 
meanings behind what she said. Sometimes, when I awoke from such a trance,I would 
also find notes and diagrams scribbled in the margins that I couldn't remember 
writing or drawing. And, over long periods of deep study for many years, my 
two copies of the Secret Doctrine became filled with these pencil margin notes 
in a tiny handwriting along with hundreds of strange drawings and symbols -- 
that to anyone else, would appear to be meaningless. But to me, they greatly 
clarified the adjacent text on a highly intuitive graphical and metaphysical 
level.  

Incidentally, it was my late wife who introduced me to Blavatsky's writings 
over 40 years ago. As she grew older, I began to notice that she had HPB's 
eyes, hair, and delicate hands, She was also a superb artist and fine art 
needleworker, as well as an intuitive theosophist with extraordinary insight. And 
many times in my more than ten year study of the SD, she helped me understand 
the deeper interpretation of many passages in the commentaries on the Book of 
Dzyan and the transactions of the Blavatsky Lodge. She was a sensitive mystic, 
and many times I experienced strange psychic occurrences around her, some 
telepathic. And, I never lost anything she couldn't find or point me to, even 
when we were separated by long distances. She was also a practicing Buddhist 
teacher, having been ordained by the Dalai Lama the first time they met (after 
they conferred for some time before he autographed her copy of the Voice ofthe 
Silence). (I guess he recognized her immediately for who she was. :-) I also 
saw that inner diamond soul when I first met her, but I never associated it 
particularly with HPB until after her death.  

As an anecdote related to her karma, I suppose... When she was a young girl 
in Holland, and went to school with and was the close friend of the present 
Queen Beatrix, she was also the playmate of Ann Frank -- since my wife's parents 
were one of the families in a small Amsterdan neighborhood that sequestered 
and protected the Frank family, among others.

Incidentally, my wife passed over several years ago within a few days of the 
birthday of HPB (which was also her own birthday) and at almost the same age. 
(There could be some astrological significance to that, I suppose. ;) The 
evening before her death, her last words to me were, "The child I came hereto 
raise is grown up and is now on his own, all my theosophical work is done, and I 
think I am ready to go home." (I thought, then, she meant back to Holland.)

So, if Blavatsky did come back as her own "new messenger" (or maybe, just as 
an observer) in the latter quarter of the last century, and did manage to get 
a new body -- perhaps I'm the only one alive today in the world who would ever 
know about it. :-) You can draw whatever conclusions you like from this.

>> >Since you mention the Tibetan tulkus, are you or anyone involved in
>> >Theosophy advanced enough that if you had a 'Blavatsky candidate', you'd
>> >be able to "see" enough in, say a photo to make judgement? I understand
>> >Besant, Olcott, Sinnett, some of those folks were pretty clairvoyant.
>> >And what would you do if you were convinced you had found her "in the
>>>body"? It could get almost as bad as other religions, couldn't it?
>> >
>> >
>>You bet. So, I don't think she would let that happen, even if she was
>>around today.
>
>You seem to ascribe a lot of control to her, even if she was around today.
>She had tremendous opposition during that lifetime that was out of her
>control. But, otoh, she might have some discarnate "help" that would do
>as you say, not let that happen...whatever 'that' is.

What I meant by '"that" was that she would never let herself be so exposed to 
any untrustworthy person these days -- so as to allow herself, or her new 
teaching, to be the focus of a new religion. Naturally, one learns by one's 
mistakes in past lives, how to "take control" over them in this life.

Therefore, even if I was convinced I had found HPB here in the body, her 
identity would not be revealed by me as long as she were alive. Apparently, you 
do not know her as well as I do. She wrote when she was here in the 19th 
century that when the "new message" would appear it would just be the "proof" that 
the ancient Gupta Vidya was a true reality (not a new religion or a change in 
the theosophcal teachings), and thus vindicate the entire Secret Doctrine.  
She said nothing about anyone knowing or caring about who the "messenger" was.  
In fact, she always let theosopohy speak for itself and took a laid back 
subordinate position herself, referring back to invisible Masters -- in order to 
prevent theosophy from becoming a basis of religious worship with a live 
personality as its focus. (Like AB, AAB and CWL tried to accomplish.)

In these days, such "proof" could only be a valid and demonstrable scientific 
Unified field theory that would include and explain (in simple non 
mathematical terms that everyone could understand) the full relationship between 
brain-body, mind, and consciousness. The ABC theory that came to me in an 
unremembered trance state (possibly directly from HPB or the Masters she served) as 
direct graphic visions and corroborative margin notes in my copies of the SD, 
could be just that explanation. Unfortunately, science does not accept this 
theory yet -- since I am not a peer reviewable Ph.D with citable papers.

So, all we have to do now is wait for the demonstration of the experimental 
proof that verifies it. Perhaps, that proof might even be linked to the 
discovery that the DNA genetic code is directly related to the formation ofthe 
multidimensional (hyperspace) ABC fields, in accord with the formulas in the Book 
of Dzyan, as well as consistent with the mathematics of Superstring/M-brane 
theory -- which includes the synthesis of quantum and relativity theories. 

Didn't HPB say that the final "proof" of theosophy will come through 
physiology and chemistry?  

The ABC theory includes all of that -- since it postulates that it's the 
individual silicon dioxide crystals in the pineal (that physiologists see as 
"sand" particles) in their combined diamond shape that "lase" the Astral light into 
coherent rays that, in turn, allow us to "see" (experience visually) the 
inner hologram of the outer physical world -- seemingly projected outward, as if 
we are looking at it through a window from a single zero-point of consciousness 
in the center of our head. When science realizes and finally proves (after 
countless years going up blind alleys trying to figure out what is and from 
where comes the experience of consciousness) that each such coadunate zero-point 
is the center of ALL consciousness (even, the pain of a pin prick located at 
the end of a finger, or the conscious experience of taste on our tongue, smell 
in the nose, hearing in the ear, etc.) which is its fundamental nature that 
exists everywhere and is NOT an epiphenomena of the Brain -- all of theosophy 
will become vindicated. 

I expect such a proof to appear before the next planetary shrug -- maybe even 
in the next few years... When some accredited scientist in an academic 
research laboratory stumbles on it, and correlates it back to the ABC theory 
published on the web and in the letter archives of scientific forums since the early 
90's... Thus giving science full credit for discovering it -- but, failing to 
cover up its links directly to the theosophical metaphysics in the Secret 
Doctrine.  

When that happens and the "proof" of ABC (correlating consciousness, will, 
mind, and the physiology and chemistry of genetics with the hyperspace field 
theories of superstrings/M-branes) is published in the mass media, along with its 
agreement with the ancient wisdom or Gupta Vidya -- the SD will become a best 
seller on the NY Times book list, HPB will be vindicated, and everyone will 
look to become a theosophist without any affiliation to any religion, church or 
organization.  

So, what will be, will be -- (with a little help from my friends, among whom 
might be, hopefully, both HPB as well as those "now discarnate" friends of 
hers. :-).  

>>Besides, how could anyone recognize a particular soul in a face?
>>And, especially in a picture... Since, as it is said, "The eyes are the
>>windows of the soul?" And, since when did a picture have a soul?
>
>You'd be surprised what photos are capable of transmitting. Doesn't she say 
>anything about that in her many writings? Do you look at a photo of a person
>and "get" nothing, intuitively? Do you not think a clairvoyant person could
>not look at a photo and get a 'resonance' of the person's soul?
>What about all the devotees in India, and around the world who revere photos
>of gurus. You think there's nothing there?
>I say there's something definitely there- photos are an 'astral' impression,
> if you can 'see' it.

Believe what you like. I believe that is strictly a sentimental view, with 
no basis in reality. A physical impression (e.g., the silver grains that make 
up a photo are material only) is not an "astral impression." What has 
revering a photo of one's Master prove about one's clairvoyance? And, evenif one 
could get "resonance of a soul" from a photo -- that doesn't prove to anyone 
else the identity of a previous shell of that soul.  

I was referring solely to the knowledge of exactly who was or what 
"personality" that soul had in its past life. I seriously doubt if anyone can know that 
from a photo. Not being particularly sensitive psychically, I could only 
recognize the soul of HPB, by looking directly into its live eyes, and having it 
project its identity to me. Or, I might meet it in a dream if it wished to 
speak with me. That's the only way I could know HPB's soul if it were herenow. 
(And, if I did, and talked about it, who would believe me? :-) 

I'm also sure that if that soul looked at was HPB's, being an adept, it could 
easily block anyone, no matter how clairvoyant, from knowing who it was in a 
past life.  

>>Besides, what evidence do you have that anyone is clairvoyant? All we
>>know of that is hearsay and self serving testimony.
>
>Speak for yourself. I've met my share. Many folks have such gifts.

Yes, I've met some too, and even lived with a few. :-) However I was 
referring to those you mentioned whom you could never have known, and the only 
evidence we have of their psychic abilities is what they say about themselves or 
what others say about them. How can anyone else ever know if they were telling 
the truth, were lying, or were simply deluded? Besides, how can you prove 
someone's clairevoyance to anyone else? You'd have to experience it first hand to 
know if it was valid, and not a coincidence or a delusion.

>>Also, I'm curious to know how anyone could be convinced that anyone else
>>is HPB if they didn't know her directly when she was alive?
>
>Well, one would have to have some of those inner abilities, wouldn't one?

I meant, recognize her from a photo of her new body. Those inner abilities 
could only work if you met that new body in person, or heard them speak or show 
their identical talents, and could also know the talents of HPB by having met 
her in a past life, or studied her writings deeply. Besides, you asked about 
my knowing, and I don't profess to be clairvoyant. I think all this talk 
about it with respect to the powers of other people is of no account, except 
anecdotally.

>>Tibetan Tulkus have nothing to do with that. Although, I suppose if we
>>found
>>a baby who could pick out HPB's personal possessions from among a big
>stack
>>of varied objects belonging to many people of similar life style, we might
>>be
>>convinced that the baby was a reincarnation of HPB. That's how the 
>>Tibetans
>>find the reincarnated Tulku after their Abbot dies. But, for them, the
>>baby has
>>to be conceived at the exact same moment of the Lama's death. That's why 
>>all
>>the married members of a Tibetan sect practice sustained Tantra sex during
>>the time their high Lama is on his death bed. (It's a great honor to be 
>>the parents of the next Abbot.) And why the monks later tour the country
>>with the dead Abbot's religious possessions to find the boy.
>>
>>LHM
>>
>I think the Tulku system is mostly rubbish, to be frank. I'm extremely
>skeptical of it. That business of picking personal possessions is nothing
>but fetishism displaced, don't you think?

No. But you are entitled to believe as you will. I had been instructed by an 
Adept Tibetan Lama as to the exact process that such a Tulku attains instant 
reincarnation and is later detected through affinity with the holy possessions 
of that particular soul, and it conforms perfectly with the teachings of HPB 
as well as the Fundamental Principles. Since I cannot say I've experienced 
it, however, I can offer no assurance that it actually works that way. Butfor 
a Master, anything is possible that doesn't violate fundamental principles. 

>A Master soul could identify 'special beings' such as HPB before, upon,
>or after 'arrival', if they so chose to. This earthly veil is not such an
>iron curtain to the opened eye. (key eerie theme music)

Maybe. But if that is possible, and you believe it without direct evidence, 
why are you skeptical about the possibility of Tulku reincarnation? Why 
couldn't a dying Master, who is omniscient on the Buddhic causal plane, andno 
longer subject to karma, be able to control the transfer of his conscious monad 
at the instant of death, and merge it with the flash of astral energy at the 
moment of his chosen egg's penetration by a similarly chosen sperm cell?  
Remember, theosophy holds that all zero-ponts of consciousness on the physical plane 
are coadunate or contiguous with each other on the causal, or spiritual 
plane.  

However, I doubt if Blavatsky would use such a process, since it is only 
necessary and possible for a High Lama whose sect members are trained in the 
Tantra yoga practice, and who wishes him to continue leading, guiding, and teaching 
them.  

>While there is significance to the time of a great soul's departure....I
>find that statement of yours about the Tibetan Tantric sect's sex devotion
>to the Lama...a bit of a novel justification for an orgy. But that could
>just be my own hangup.

Glad you realize that possibility at least. (Honi soit qui mal e pense. :-) 

How could it be an orgy when, in Tantra sex practice, there can never be more 
than two people involved?  

>regards-
>
>Ali

Best wishes,

Leon

Best wishes,

Leon