Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00427)

Hallo all,

My views are:

Allright.

You wrote:
"But a
> school that drops students because of their
> temperaments can hardly be called an esoteric, or
> initiatory school."

I disagree.
Some Teachers can teach only certain issues. Others can teach other issues
on the Path.
Some knows about this and others don't.
The Mental and Buddhic levels have great areas of teaching and not all
Teachers are capeable of
teaching and take care all the true spiritual needs of each students.

HPB did not - as far as I know - allow just any person to be member of the
Esoteric Section - even if some of the TS members were more wise than other
members who were permitted into this group. She did neither allow anyone to
come and visit her when she lived in London.
The Same goes for the Masters. (A recent email here at Theos-Talk on HPB's
trip with a young boy to one of the Masters bungalows in India should
be explanation enough.) This should tell you something.


I will say it again.
I disagree very much with your opinion.

Some spiritual seekers walk the Path and yet they are not members of the TS
or any TS bracnh !


Allright. Let us put it to rest then.


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pedro Oliveira" <prmoliveira@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Who dictated Alice Bailey's books?


> Morten Nymann Olesen wrote:
>
> > To "drop" an aspirant - to me simply meant to ship
> > the aspirant to another
> > group or let the aspirant go the path alone - for a
> > while.
> > I think it was there we misunderstood each other.
> >
> > Some aspirants cannot just be taken inside.
> > They would simply be a problem to the spiritual and
> > perhaps social relations
> > among people.
>
> I think you are confusing the thread by changing your
> opinion. The issue here is not "taking aspirants
> inside." You wrote:
>
> "The Arcane School if it was (and is) a real School of
> Wisdom will because of
> the laws of Karma have to
> drop certain (and not "all" - Bailey didn't say "all")
> emotional aspirants
> and other persons, who wouldn't or
> will not fit the pattern."
>
> Please remember that this discussion originated in the
> quote of Alice Bailey's statement from her
> "Autobiography" that she had dropped from the Arcane
> School hundreds of students of the emotional,
> devotional type.
>
> Esoteric schools throughout the ages have had strict
> rules and conditions of membership, and it is clear
> that they didn't accept everyone. The Sanskrit word
> "Shishya", commonly translated as "disciple", means
> one 'who is capable and worthy of being taught'. The
> important conditions are in the student
> himself/herself. The problem with Bailey's statement
> is the discriminatory stand against individuals'
> temperaments. You simply won't find any such thing in
> Blavatsky's esoteric instructions. Raja Yoga, the
> method she used, involves a balanced integration of
> Karma, Bhakti and Jnana (action, devotion and
> knowledge). Certainly after entering a path of
> esoteric instruction one can fail, fall, misunderstand
> the teachings, become an egomaniac, etc, etc. But a
> school that drops students because of their
> temperaments can hardly be called an esoteric, or
> initiatory school.
>
>
> > The previous example one more time:
> > A sick horse would be taken care of at its own place
> > and not at the race
> > track where the other horses come thundering by with
> > the judge in his tower.
> > Do you not agree ?
>
> Again, you are pushing the metaphor. Do you mean to
> say that the hundreds of students that were dropped
> from the Arcane School by Bailey can be compared do
> sick horses? Once you are in a school of esoteric
> instruction (if it is one) you should find in it
> guidance, strength and inspiration, and not be told to
> find treatment elsewhere. The reason for this is that
> if the school is authentic, it should be animated by
> the spirit of wisdom and compassion, for an esoteric
> school is not a school for business excellence,
> neither is it based on the principle of the survival
> of the fittest.
>
> Now, Morten, before we become like two boring
> transatlantic horses, shouldn't we change the subject?
>
> Nasrudinian greetings to you.
>
> Pedro
>
>
>
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