Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00388)

Hallow Morten,

Thank you for your comments. Please find below a few
replies to some of them. 

> So what the possible Master KH might have meant when
> talking to Besant,
> could have been something else - namely the
> tendencies to
> over-emphasise the Masters importance as being
> almost Gods.
> That tendency certainly had a peek at that time- 
> year 1900 - (and maybe
> also even today in Adyar).

No, I think he meant "stop talking about it", plain
and simple. Historical records show that this tendency
peaked not in 1900 but in August 1925, at the Ommen
Star Camp, when several personal statements were made
regarding intiations, Hierarchy, and so on. It was
from February 1953 onwards, when N. Sri Ram became the
President (of the Adyar TS), that all personal
references to the Masters completely stopped. And it
was very much due to his own personal example. As for
the present, if you look at her 'On the Watch Tower'
notes in "The Theosophist", the international journal
of the Adyar TS, you will not find absolutely any
personal references to the Masters. Such personal
references have ceased to be part of the culture of
the Adyar Society for the past 50 years. 

> 2. The following was taken from the Bailey
> Autobiography :
> 
> "Then followed A Treatise on White Magic. It is the
> first book ever given out upon the training and
control
> of
> > the astral or emotional body."
> - is clearly not true.
> 
> Annie Besant made some books sort of covering the
> subject before Bailey (+
> D.K.) did.
> So I do not know, what Bailey (or D.K.) talks about
> here.
> I was also baffled the first time I read those
> sentences.
> Some of Annie Besants books are: Anicent Wisdom
> 1911, The Seven Principles
> in Man 1909
> Arthur E. Powell got his third book on the subject
> "The Mental Body"
> published as early as 1927 !
> But maybe D.K.'s book was earlier than A. E.
> Powell's or even Besants ?
> At least A. E. Powell's books was published before
> Bailey's.
> "A Treatise on White Magic" officially was. This
> book was later in the
> Bailey book "Esoteric Healing"
> (to some readers surprisingly) given some remarks
> about that it contains
> some faults on the use of magic !
> Look at the quote here from the book Esoteric
> Healing:
> "I may surprise you here if I tell you that A
> Treatise on White Magic is
> also true as far as it goes, but it is necessarily
> limited, and because of
> these limitations it is also partially incorrect.
> Does the above statement
> astonish you? Remember, how can it be entirely true
> when we consider the
> limitations of your power to comprehend? It is
> impossible for me to convey
> to you the truth, because there exist neither the
> terminology nor an
> adequate groundwork of knowledge on your part. This
> makes my task
> difficult."
>
http://beaskund.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/healing/heal1012.html
> 
> So using the Arab numbers 2+2 is not always 4 within
> the wisdom tradition.
> Maybe it is "four" which is the answer.
> (smile...)
> 
> I will not call the books Bhagavad Gita, the
> Dhammapada, the Lamrin Chenmo,
> the
> Tao-te-ching, the Cloud of Unknowing --- treatises
> --- on the emotional and
> mental body in
> a (ordinary) theosophical sense.
> But Bhagavad Gita are really about the issue - as it
> is the essens of the
> Upanishads !
> Then again - you of course will have to read beyond
> the dead-letter.
> 
> 
> 
> 3. Oliviera wrote:
> "(Is it not surprising that a "Master of Wisdom"
> would
> > submit himself to conditions determined by a
> disciple?"
> 
> Perhaps not, if the disciple has taken the 4th
> initiation OR is
> working under another Master - not named in the
> presentation of the issue.
> The ray or typ of Path the individual disciple
> follows could have something
> to do with that.
> HPB was (or is) on a different Path than Bailey no
> doubt.
> The sentences do not say, that Bailey would run the
> School on her own !
> 
> The idea was perhaps to create flexibility in the
> views and a more down to
> earth approach
> around the Arcane School - so to avoid the
> Krishnamurti atmosphere,
> which was so prevalent in theosophical circles at
> the time !
> 
> And let us remember that HPB had the high Master
> Morya as her teacher !
> 
> 
> 
> 4. HPB on the comming book with the "Psychological
> Key" and the Bailey claim
> !!!:
> Oliveira asked where the HPB quote were...Here it is
> and with the Bailey
> views added...
> 
> a)
> --- The Secret Doctrine - vol 1., page xxxviii ---
> 
> "About 1820, Prof. Max Muller tells us, the sacred
> books of the Brahmans, of
> the Magians, and of the Buddhists, "were all but
> unknown, their very
> existence was doubted, and there was not a single
> scholar who could have
> translated a line of the Veda . . . of the Zend
> Avesta, or . . . of the
> Buddhist Tripitaka, and now the Vedas are proved to
> be the work of the
> highest antiquity whose 'preservation amounts almost
> to a marvel' (Lecture
> on the Vedas).
> The same will be said of the Secret Archaic
> Doctrine, when proofs are given
> of its undeniable existence and records. But it will
> take centuries before
> much more is given from it. Speaking of the keys to
> the Zodiacal mysteries
> as being almost lost to the world, it was remarked
> by the writer in "Isis
> Unveiled" some ten years ago that: "The said key
> must be turned seven times
> before the whole system is divulged. We will give it
> but one turn, and
> thereby allow the profane one glimpse into the
> mystery. Happy he, who
> understands the whole!"
> 
> The same may be said of the whole Esoteric system.
> One turn of the key, and
> no more, was given in "Isis." Much more is explained
> in these volumes. In
> those days the writer hardly knew the language in
> which the work was
> written, and the disclosure of many things, freely
> spoken about now, was
> forbidden. In Century the Twentieth some disciple
> more informed, and far
> better fitted, may be sent by the Masters of Wisdom
> to give final and
> irrefutable proofs that there exists a Science
> called Gupta-Vidya; and that,
> like the once-mysterious sources of the Nile, the
> source of all religions
> and philosophies now known to the world has been for
> many ages forgotten and
> lost to men, but is at last found.
> 
> Such a work as this has to be introduced with no
> simple Preface, but with a
> volume rather; one that would give facts, not mere
> disquisitions, since the
> SECRET DOCTRINE is not a treatise, or a series of
> vague 
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