Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00266)

well, pal

that was a fantastic piece from u - thanx a ton !

Raghu Seshadri.

-----Original Message-----
From: netemara888 [mailto:netemara888@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 9:05 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Theos-World Re: High esteem or arrogance ??


Good post Steve. The only thing I would add about your doubts as to 
why this would concern a cloistered monk is simply that touche it is 
partly colored by Bailey and her Christian background. But it is also 
colored by the past experiences of both Bailey and DK. 

They are NOT writing these books in an intellectual or mental vacuum. 
They are influenced and speaking from a font, a source of experience 
that may extend back millions of years.

Thus we take it for the wisdom associated with the masters. I am not 
saying to take it without question, but just don't question without 
taking a deeper look.

Netemara



-- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@y...> 
wrote:
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888" <netemara888@y...> 
> wrote:
> > Maybe it would help you to read some of the Esoteric Psychology 
> books 
> > by AAB in which they describe the rays and the personalities and 
> the 
> > flaws associated with those rays. There is a great deal of 
> discussion 
> > about intellectual pride in the second ray. This is also a 
quality 
> of 
> > the mind itself.
> > 
> > In other words as long as there is mind in matter there will be 
ego 
> > and pride in some individuals. Find out about your own rays 
> > personality flaws. That will be an eye opener for ya. And if you 
> say 
> > you have NO flaws then that too is a form of ego and arrogance.
> > 
> > Some of the stupidest people I've ever met were also extremely 
> > humble. You can have it, I think it is overrated.
> > 
> > Netemara
> 
> Very interesting comment. Thanks indeed. Actually she seems to 
have 
> assigned intellectual pride to the third and not the second ray. I 
> looked up the "rays" in the book and finally found the section you 
> referenced. It should be said this is one of the books in which 
> Bailey felt the need to promote her antiSemitic sentiments, which 
in 
> itself seems to void the claim that it was written by a "Tibetan." 
> It makes little sense that a monk sequestered in the mountains of 
> Tibet would be obsessed with what at the time was a purely European 
> system of prejudice. Anyway this is typical of the kind of internal 
> evidence which seems to moot the hook's claims.
> 
> Here is Bailey's system of rays, vices, and virtues. Of tthe 
> theoretical underpinning of these claims is in the book I have not 
> read that far yet. It is not clear from this excerpt how one would 
> determine which "ray" a specific person belongs to. I hope it is 
not 
> too arrogant of me to share this with anyone who might be 
> interested. It is an arrogant thing to do, but those who benefit 
> might be able to firgove.
> 
> Words from this point forward are those of AAB. This section does 
> not contain any of AAB's hateful content:
> 
> --------------------------------
> Esoteric Psychology
> Section Two
> The Seven Creative Builders, the Seven Rays
> 
> Analysis of the Rays and Their Expression,
> from an Earlier Manuscript.
> There is a vast fund of interesting knowledge as to the action and 
> results of the ray activity in the lower kingdoms of nature, but on 
> this point no details can be given; and the following summary of 
what 
> we have been told is necessarily imperfect and admits of endless 
> amplification.
> 
> First Ray of Will or Power
> 
> Special Virtues:
> Strength, courage, steadfastness, truthfulness arising from 
absolute 
> fearlessness, power of ruling, capacity to grasp great questions in 
a 
> large?minded way, and of handling men and measures. 
> 
> Vices of Ray:
> Pride, ambition, wilfulness, hardness, arrogance, desire to control 
> others, obstinacy, anger.
> 
> Virtues to he acquired:
> Tenderness, humility, sympathy, tolerance, patience,
> 
> The Second Ray of Love?Wisdom
> 
> Special Virtues:
> Calm, strength, patience and endurance, love of truth, 
faithfulness, 
> intuition, clear intelligence, and serene temper.
> 
> Vices of Ray:
> Over?absorption in study, coldness, indifference to others, 
contempt 
> of mental limitations in others.
> 
> Virtues to be acquired:
> Love, compassion, unselfishness, energy.
> 
> This is called the ray of wisdom from its characteristic desire for 
> pure knowledge and for absolute truth ? cold and selfish, if 
without 
> love, and inactive without power. When both power and love are 
> present, then you have the ray of the Buddhas and of all great 
> teachers of humanity, ? those who, having attained wisdom for the 
> sake of others, spend themselves in giving it forth. The student on 
> this ray is ever unsatisfied with his highest attainments; no 
matter 
> how great his knowledge, his mind is still fixed on the unknown, 
the 
> beyond, and on the heights as yet unscaled.
> 
> The Third Ray of Higher Mind
> 
> Special Virtues:
> Wide views on all abstract questions, sincerity of purpose, clear 
> intellect, capacity for concentration on philosophic studies, 
> patience, caution, absence of the tendency to worry himself or 
others 
> over trifles.
> 
> Vices of Ray:
> Intellectual pride, coldness, isolation, inaccuracy in details, 
> absent?mindedness, obstinacy, selfishness, overmuch criticism of 
> others. 
> 
> Virtues to be acquired:
> Sympathy, tolerance, devotion, accuracy, energy and common sense. 
> The Fourth Ray of Harmony through Conflict
> 
> Special Virtues:
> Strong affections, sympathy, physical courage, generosity, 
devotion, 
> quickness of intellect and perception.
> 
> Vices of Ray:
> Self?centeredness, worrying, inaccuracy, lack of moral courage, 
> strong passions, indolence, extravagance.
> 
> Virtues to be acquired:
> Serenity, confidence, self?control, purity, unselfishness, 
accuracy, 
> mental and moral balance.
> 
> The Fifth Ray of Lower Mind
> 
> Special Virtues:
> Strictly accurate statements, justice (without mercy), 
perseverance, 
> common sense, uprightness, independence, keen intellect.
> 
> Vices of Ray:
> Harsh criticism, narrowness, arrogance, unforgiving temper, lack of 
> sympathy and reverence, prejudice.
> 
> Virtues to be acquired:
> Reverence, devotion, sympathy, love, wide?mindedness.
> 
> The Sixth Ray of Devotion
> 
> Special Virtues:
> Devotion, single?mindedness, love, tenderness, intuition, loyalty, 
> reverence.
> 
> Vices of Ray:
> Selfish and jealous love, over?leaning on others, partiality, self?
> deception, sectarianism, superstition, prejudice, over?rapid 
> conclusions, fiery anger.
> 
> Virtues to be acquired:
> Strength, self?sacrifice, purity, truth, tolerance, serenity, 
balance 
> and common sense.
> 
> The Seventh Ray of Ceremonial Order or Magic
> 
> Special Virtues:
> Strength, perseverance, courage, courtesy, extreme care in details, 
> self?reliance.
> 
> Vices of Ray:
> Formalism, bigotry, pride, narrowness, superficial judgments, self?
> opinion over?indulged.
> 
> Virtues to be acquired:
> Realization of unity, wide?mindedness, tolerance, humility, 
> gentleness and love.




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