Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00261)

Hallo all,

My views are:

But Daniel is it not also true, that NEW times and a new audience requires
new books of Wisdom - with no dead letter writing
on whether Christ will arrive or not ?
Maybe the Hierarchy really had decided that christ - in a certain sense-
would come at Bailey's time of writing ?
(Bhagavad Gita for instances claims that the Avatar comes when rightousness
disappears ---)

And maybe the word "bodily" aught to be read in a different manner - on the
esoterical level ?
And maybe the use of dead letter on the exoterical level was done
deliberately to attract CERTAIN newcomers (with a christian outlook upon
life) -
maybe even if it was - a white lie ?

There are more options to consider...

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Daniel H. Caldwell" <danielhcaldwell@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 12:50 AM
Subject: Theos-World Further Comments on what Ali writes about "Blavatsky
versus Bailey on 'Christ' "


> Ali,
>
> Thanks again for your further comments in:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/15199
>
> But I am puzzled by your statement that:
>
> "I don't think she negates a physicalized Christ,
> but she does negate the exoteric Xtian dogma of
> many milleniums."
>
> I guess it all depends upon what you mean by
> "a physicalized Christ."
>
> But it seems pretty clear to me that HPB taught
> something different. To requote her:
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> ". . . 'the coming of Christ,' means the presence
> of CHRISTOS in a regenerated world, and not at
> all the actual coming in body of 'Christ' Jesus; . . .
> for Christ--the true esoteric SAVIOUR--
> is no man, but the DIVINE PRINCIPLE in
> every human being."
>
> This appears in stark contrast to what Bailey
> writes:
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> "...Christ can MOVE FREELY among men, in
> BODILY Presence...."
>
> "...He need not then remain in His present
> retreat in CENTRAL ASIA. . . "
>
> Therefore if Christ "is no man, but the
> DIVINE PRINCIPLE in every human being," then the
> following by Bailey is utter nonsense:
>
> "The radio, the press, and the dissemination of
> news, will make His coming different to that of
> any previous Messenger; the swift modes of
> transportation will make Him available to countless
> millions, and by boat, rail and plane they can
> reach Him: through television, His face can be
> made familiar to all, and verily 'every eye shall
> see Him."
>
> Why pray tell would any person need a TELEVISION (?)
> to "see" him? Or a boat, train or plane? !!!
>
> I contend this is quite the opposite of what HPB
> teaches:
>
> "It [genuine Theosophy] hushes the 'Lo here! and
> lo there!' [in Central Asia!!!] and declares the
> Christ, like the kingdom of heaven, to be within."
>
> Look within! The "true esoteric SAVIOUR" can be
> found there!
>
> In the following text notice again how Alice Bailey
> makes the Christ into a physical man. Notice that
> Bailey definitely writes:
>
> "This tremendous event takes place each year in the
> Himalayas. It is held in a valley and is not a mythical,
> subconscious happening but a real, PHYSICAL plane
> occurrence."
>
> And then she goes on to write:
>
> "Standing ahead of the crowd and in front of the rock were
> three Figures. They formed a triangle and, to my surprise,
> the one at the apex of the triangle seemed to me to
> be the Christ."
>
> The more complete text is as follows:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> I twice (whilst living and working in Great Britain) took part in an
> extraordinary ceremony and it was nearly two [39] decades after my
> participation that I discovered what it was all about. The ceremony
> in which I took part, I eventually found out, actually takes place
> every year at the time of the "Full Moon of May." It is the full moon
> of the Hindu calendar month of Vaisakha (Taurus) under its ancient
> name. This month is of vital importance to all Buddhists and the
> first day of this month is the national holiday known as the Hindu
> New Year's Day. This tremendous event takes place each year in the
> Himalayas. It is held in a valley and is not a mythical, subconscious
> happening but a real, physical plane occurrence. I found myself
> (whilst wide awake) in this valley and forming part of a vast,
> orderly crowd - mostly oriental but with a large sprinkling of
> occidental people. I knew exactly where I stood in that crowd and
> realized that it was my correct place and indicated my spiritual
> status.
> http://beaskund.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/autobiography/auto1015.html
>
>
> The valley was large and oval shaped, rocky and with high mountains
> on either side. The people, crowded in the valley, faced towards the
> East and towards a narrow, bottlenecked passage at the end. Just
> before this funnel shaped passage there stood an immense rock, rising
> out of the floor of the valley like a great table, and on the top of
> the rock was a crystal bowl which looked as if it was three feet
> across. This bowl was full of water. Standing ahead of the crowd and
> in front of the rock were three Figures. They formed a triangle and,
> to my surprise, the one at the apex of the triangle seemed to me to
> be the Christ. The waiting crowd appeared to be in constant movement,
> and as they moved they formed great and familiar symbols - the Cross
> in its various forms, the circle with the point in the center, the
> five-pointed star and various interlaced triangles. It was almost
> like a solemn, rhythmic dance, very slow and dignified but quite
> soundless. Suddenly, the three Figures before the rock stretched out
> Their arms towards the heavens. The [40] crowd froze into immobility.
> At the far end of the bottleneck a Figure was seen in the sky,
> hovering over the passage and slowly approaching the rock. I knew in
> some subjective and certain fashion that it was the Buddha. I had a
> sense of recognition. I knew at the same time that in no way was our
> Christ belittled. I got a glimpse of the unity and of the Plan to
> which the Christ, the Buddha and all the Masters are eternally
> dedicated. I realized for the first time, though in a dim and
> uncertain manner, the unity of all manifestation and that all
> existence - the material world, the spiritual realm, the aspiring
> disciple, the evolving animal and the beauty of the vegetable and
> mineral kingdoms - constituted one divine and living whole which was
> moving on to the demonstration of the glory of the Lord. I grasped -
> faintly - that human beings needed the Christ and the Buddha and all
> the Members of the planetary Hierarchy, and that there were
> happenings and events of far greater moment to the progress of the
> race than those recorded in history. I was left bewildered, because
> to me (at that time) the heathen were still heathen and I was a
> Christian. Deep and fundamental doubts were left in my mind. My life
> was henceforth colored (and is today) by the knowledge that there
> were Masters and subjective events upon the inner spiritual planes
> and in the world of meaning which were a part of life itself, perhaps
> the most important part. How could I fit these things into my limited
> theology and my daily life. I did not know.
> It is said that one's deepest and most intimate spiritual experiences
> should never be discussed or related. This is fundamentally true and
> no true "experiencer" is the least interested in such discussions.
> The deeper and more vital the experience, the less temptation is
> there to tell it. Only beginners with a theoretical, imaginative
> event in their [41] consciousness claim such experiences. But with
> deliberation I have related the two above subjective events (or was
> the first subjective?) because it is time that people of standing and
> who are recognized as sane and intelligent should add their testimony
> to that of the frequently discredited mystic and occultist. I have a
> good standing as an intelligent, normal woman, an effective executive
> and creative writer and I choose to add my certain knowledge and
> conviction to the witness of many others down the ages.
> http://beaskund.helloyou.ws/netnews/bk/autobiography/auto1016.html
>
> Remember also what Master KH wrotes:
>
> ". . . let these unfortunate, deluded Christians know that the real
> Christ of every Christian is the Vach, the "mystical Voice," while
> the man Jeshu was but a mortal like any of us, an adept more by his
> inherent purity and ignorance of real Evil, than by what he had
> learned with his initiated Rabbis and the already (at that period)
> fast degenerating Egyptian Hierophants and priests. . . . "
>
> The real Christ....is the Vach, the "mystical Voice"....
> is no man, but the DIVINE PRINCIPLE in every human being."
>
> You don't need a television, car, boat or plane to
> contact the real Christ.
>
> More than enough said.
>
> Daniel
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