Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00103)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "arielaretziel" 
<arielaretziel@y...> wrote:
> 
> 
> Dear Krishtar,
> 
> My humble apologies, I never meant to offend you in any way and it 
> was neither my intension. I do have experience and I know how one 
can 
> have simular experiences in a very simple step by step method which 
> people do practice with success. This does not discount other 
methods 
> and actually they all lead to the same place, but for certain 
> situations in your meditation, you may find that nomenclature can 
> either help or get in the way. This is why in Theosophy one learns 
to 
> differentiate Manas from the thoughts eminating from the Kama Rupa, 
> which one needs to stop before the higher and more subtle thoughts 
> can be experienced. If you don't agree, that's fine,as everyone 
will 
> find what works in their mediation through practice. So I apologize 
> again, and I hope it did not give you a negative feeling about this 
> group or especially Theosophy.
> 
> As for my reaction to Steve, I don't mean any disrespect, merely 
that 
> anyone can claim all kinds of stories about Samkara and they may 
not 
> be true. Today, I can claim that there was an affair between 
> Blavatsky and Mabel Collins even though I knew neither of them 
> personally and am from another century. Than a couple of hundred 
> years later someone can quote me and say that this is a fact. This 
> does not nessesarily make it true. If we are dedicated to the 
Truth, 
> we must be honest with ourselves about what we don't know as well 
as 
> what we know. In this sense, rational thought may be in order. 
> Othewrwise we may all become reduced to a bunch of Zealots doing 
all 
> kinds of crazy things because we believe in conspiracy theories.
> 
> So I apologise for my arrogance, but I'm sure if we met personally 
> that you may have taken most of what I said in jest and not so 
> personally. Peace always,
> 
> Ariel
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> 
wrote:
> > Hi
> > It is sad.
> > I joined this group 2 years ago in order to learn a littīle more 
> and share views but what I truly found here was nothing but too few 
> people with humbleness and compassion, esteem, but a great 
majority, 
> by the messages posted recently, such as Arielīs,( and others), 
with 
> whom I had the tragic experience of exchanging a few posts about 
> meditation- where arrogance is a constant and estimableness is a 
rare 
> quality.
> > Why does it happens?
> > We sometimes proudly say we are theosophists or students of the 
> occult but it seems that all the wisdom obtained by reading that 
> enters through oneīs right ear, steps out by the left one!!!!!!
> > Although I have much consideration for Daniel and many others 
from 
> the group, I sometimes think the Group is not used to share and 
grow 
> but to show-off a knowlege many donīt have, to inflate their egos.
> > Something seems like a lot of pseudo scientists who forget their 
> necessity of this incarnation to get a bit more mature spiritually 
> speaking.
> > Many repudiate religious concepts, considering hypocrisy, but 
> tenderness and friendliness is important, no matter if we are in 
> front of a CRT screen or a flesh and blood person
> > I gess we should stop for a while and think.
> > 
> > 
> > Krishtar
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: Bill Meredith 
> > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:14 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: High esteem or arrogance ??
> > 
> > 
> > It is a well-worn ploy to quote from unnamed sources who write 
> privately yet
> > are fully informed of the goings on here at theos-talk. I 
wonder 
> if you
> > asked Paul's permission before you made his private comments 
> public?
> > 
> > Probably not.
> > 
> > Neither you nor Leon have gained the complete understanding of 
> meditation.
> > This is evidenced throughout your writings by your overpowering,
> > self-inflating ego stomping around in cyberspace like a blind 
> elephant in
> > our living room.
> > 
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:57 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: High esteem or arrogance ??
> > 
> > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> > > > Stopping the modifications of mind is not the basis of any 
> form of
> > > meditation
> > > > that I know about.
> > >
> > > People keep writing me privately about hoe "embarrassed" they 
> are
> > > that you keep trumpeting your ignorance. One of these e-
mails 
> said:
> > >
> > > "First he tells us he does not know anything about 
mathematics, 
> then
> > > he lectures us on "superstring" theory. Then he tells us he 
> does not
> > > know anything about geography, and lectures us on how 
Wasington 
> is a
> > > far northern US city. Now he is saying he does not know 
> anything
> > > about meditation and he is lecturing us on that. Isn't this
> > > embarrassing?"
> > >
> > > I have not responded yet. I do not know how to respond.
> > >
> > > Yes, stopping the modifications of the mind is the basis of 
> EVERY
> > > system of meditation.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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