Theos-Talk Archives (March 2004 Message tt00102)

Dear Krishtar,

My humble apologies, I never meant to offend you in any way and it 
was neither my intension. I do have experience and I know how one can 
have simular experiences in a very simple step by step method which 
people do practice with success. This does not discount other methods 
and actually they all lead to the same place, but for certain 
situations in your meditation, you may find that nomenclature can 
either help or get in the way. This is why in Theosophy one learns to 
differentiate Manas from the thoughts eminating from the Kama Rupa, 
which one needs to stop before the higher and more subtle thoughts 
can be experienced. If you don't agree, that's fine,as everyone will 
find what works in their mediation through practice. So I apologize 
again, and I hope it did not give you a negative feeling about this 
group or especially Theosophy.

As for my reaction to Steve, I don't mean any disrespect, merely that 
anyone can claim all kinds of stories about Samkara and they may not 
be true. Today, I can claim that there was an affair between 
Blavatsky and Mabel Collins even though I knew neither of them 
personally and am from another century. Than a couple of hundred 
years later someone can quote me and say that this is a fact. This 
does not nessesarily make it true. If we are dedicated to the Truth, 
we must be honest with ourselves about what we don't know as well as 
what we know. In this sense, rational thought may be in order. 
Othewrwise we may all become reduced to a bunch of Zealots doing all 
kinds of crazy things because we believe in conspiracy theories.

So I apologise for my arrogance, but I'm sure if we met personally 
that you may have taken most of what I said in jest and not so 
personally. Peace always,

Ariel


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "krishtar" <krishtar_a@b...> wrote:
> Hi
> It is sad.
> I joined this group 2 years ago in order to learn a littīle more 
and share views but what I truly found here was nothing but too few 
people with humbleness and compassion, esteem, but a great majority, 
by the messages posted recently, such as Arielīs,( and others), with 
whom I had the tragic experience of exchanging a few posts about 
meditation- where arrogance is a constant and estimableness is a rare 
quality.
> Why does it happens?
> We sometimes proudly say we are theosophists or students of the 
occult but it seems that all the wisdom obtained by reading that 
enters through oneīs right ear, steps out by the left one!!!!!!
> Although I have much consideration for Daniel and many others from 
the group, I sometimes think the Group is not used to share and grow 
but to show-off a knowlege many donīt have, to inflate their egos.
> Something seems like a lot of pseudo scientists who forget their 
necessity of this incarnation to get a bit more mature spiritually 
speaking.
> Many repudiate religious concepts, considering hypocrisy, but 
tenderness and friendliness is important, no matter if we are in 
front of a CRT screen or a flesh and blood person
> I gess we should stop for a while and think.
> 
> 
> Krishtar
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> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Bill Meredith 
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 2:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: High esteem or arrogance ??
> 
> 
> It is a well-worn ploy to quote from unnamed sources who write 
privately yet
> are fully informed of the goings on here at theos-talk. I wonder 
if you
> asked Paul's permission before you made his private comments 
public?
> 
> Probably not.
> 
> Neither you nor Leon have gained the complete understanding of 
meditation.
> This is evidenced throughout your writings by your overpowering,
> self-inflating ego stomping around in cyberspace like a blind 
elephant in
> our living room.
> 
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "stevestubbs" <stevestubbs@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:57 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: High esteem or arrogance ??
> 
> 
> > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, leonmaurer@a... wrote:
> > > Stopping the modifications of mind is not the basis of any 
form of
> > meditation
> > > that I know about.
> >
> > People keep writing me privately about hoe "embarrassed" they 
are
> > that you keep trumpeting your ignorance. One of these e-mails 
said:
> >
> > "First he tells us he does not know anything about mathematics, 
then
> > he lectures us on "superstring" theory. Then he tells us he 
does not
> > know anything about geography, and lectures us on how Wasington 
is a
> > far northern US city. Now he is saying he does not know 
anything
> > about meditation and he is lecturing us on that. Isn't this
> > embarrassing?"
> >
> > I have not responded yet. I do not know how to respond.
> >
> > Yes, stopping the modifications of the mind is the basis of 
EVERY
> > system of meditation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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