Theos-Talk Archives (February 2004 Message tt00216)

Feb 28 2004

Re: ETERNAL MOTION = KARMA Part 2

Dear Friends:


Continuing the thought in ETERNAL MOTION = KARMA


I was reading HPB's TRANSACTIONS OF THE BLAVATSKY LODGE , pp 83...

This relates to our concepts and study, so I reproduce it below:--


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TRANSACTIONS SUMMARY pp. 83 - 86

Sloka (3). THE HOUR HAD NOT YET STRUCK; THE RAY HAD NOT YET FLASHED INTO
THE GERM; THE MATRI-PADMA (mother lotus) HAD NOT YET SWOLLEN. 

"The Ray of the 'ever-darkness' becomes, as it is emitted, a ray of
effulgent life, and flashes into the 'germ'-the point in the Mundane
Egg, represented by matter in its abstract sense." 

Q. Is the Point in the Mundane Egg the same as the Point in the Circle,
the Unmanifested Logos? 

A. Certainly not: the Point in the Circle is the Unmanifested Logos, the
Manifested Logos is the Triangle. 

Pythagoras speaks of the never manifested Monad which lives in solitude
and darkness; when the hour strikes it radiates from itself ONE the
first number. 

This number descending, produces TWO, the second number, and Two, in its
turn, produces THREE, forming a triangle, the first complete geometrical
figure in the world of form. 

It is this ideal or abstract triangle which is the Point in the Mundane
Egg, which, after gestation, and in the third remove, will start from
the Egg to form the Triangle. This is Brahma-Vach-Viraj in the Hindu
Philosophy and Kether-Chochmah-Binah in the Zohar

The First Manifested Logos is the Potentia, the unrevealed Cause; the
Second, the still latent Thought; the Third, the Demiurus, the active
Will evolving from its universal Self the active effect, which, in its
turn, becomes the cause on a lower plane. 


Q. What is Ever-Darkness in the sense used here?

A. Ever-Darkness means, I suppose, the ever-unknowable mystery, behind
the veil-in fact, Parabrahm. 

Even the Logos can see only Mulaprakriti, it cannot see that which is
beyond the veil. It is that which is the "Ever-unknowable Darkness." 


Q. What is the Ray in this connection? 

A. I will recapitulate. 

We have the plane of the circle, the face being black, the point in the
circle being potentially white, and this is the first possible
conception in our minds of the invisible Logos. 

"Ever-Darkness" is eternal, the Ray periodical. 

Having flashed out from this central point and thrilled through the
Germ, the Ray is withdrawn again within this point and the Germ develops
into the Second Logos, the triangle within the Mundane Egg. 


Q. What, then, are the stages of manifestation? 

A. The first stage is the appearance of the potential point in the
circle-the unmanifested Logos. 

The second stage is the shooting forth of the Ray from the potential
white point, producing the first point, which is called, in the Zohar,
Kether or Sephira. 

The third stage is the production from Kether of Chochmah, and Binah,
thus constituting the first triangle, which is the Third or manifested
Logos-in other words, the subjective and objective Universe. 

Further, from this manifested Logos will proceed the Seven Rays, which
in the Zohar are called the lower Sephiroth and in Eastern occultism the
primordial seven rays. Thence will proceed the innumerable series of
Hierarchies

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Q. Is the Triangle here mentioned that which you refer to as the Germ in
the Mundane Egg? 

A. Certainly it is. But you must remember that there are both the
Universal and Solar Eggs (as well as others), and that it is necessary
to qualify any statement made concerning them. The Mundane Egg is an
expression of Abstract Form. 


Q. May Abstract Form be called the first manifestation of the eternal
female principle? 

A. It is the first manifestation not of the female principle, but of the
Ray which proceeds from the central point which is perfectly sexless. 

There is no eternal female principle, for this Ray produces that which
is the united potentiality of both sexes but is by no means either male
or female. This latter differentiation will only appear when it falls
into matter, when the Triangle becomes a Square, the first Tetraktys. 


Q. Then the Mundane Egg is as sexless as the Ray? 

A. The Mundane Egg is simply the first stage of manifestation,
undifferentiated primordial matter, in which the vital creative Germ
receives its first spiritual impulse; Potentiality becomes Potency. 

Matter, by convenience of metaphor, only, is regarded as feminine,
because it is receptive of the rays of the sun which fecundate it and so
produce all that grows on its surface, i.e., on this the lowest plane. 

On the other hand primordial matter should be regarded as substance, and
by no means can be spoken of as having sex. 

Thus the Egg, on whatever plane you speak of, means the ever-existing
undifferentiated matter which strictly is not matter at all but, as we
call it, the Atoms. 

Matter is destructible in form while the Atoms are absolutely
indestructible, being the quintessence of Substances. And here, I mean
by "atoms" the primordial divine Units, not the "atoms" of modern
Science. 

Similarly the "Germ" is a figurative expression; the germ is everywhere,
even as the circle whose circumference is nowhere and whose center is
everywhere. It therefore means all germs, that is to say, unmanifested
nature, or the whole creative power which will emanate, called by the
Hindus Brahma, though on every plane it has a different name. 


Q. Is the Matri-Padma the eternal or the periodical Egg? 

A. The eternal Egg; it will become periodical only when the ray from the
first Logos shall have flashed from the latent Germ in the Matri-Padma
which is the Egg, the Womb of the Universe which is to be. 

By analogy, the physical germ in the female cell could not be called
eternal, though the latent spirit of the germ concealed within the male
cell in nature, may be so called. 

[From this point on the following pages HPB develops the description of
development in manifestation. It is well worth reading and correlating
to the SECRET DOCTRINE.]


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Best wishes,

Dallas

-----Original Message-----
From: Dallas 
Sent: Friday, February 27, 2004 5:20 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Does Brahman or Atman have any karma?  
ETERNAL MOTION = KARMA


Feb 27 2004

Re: ETERNAL MOTION = KARMA


Dear Friends:

This is the most difficult explanation of all in metaphysics.

As Mandukya Upanishad offers: NETI --- NETI -- NETI (not this, not
that, not the other).

ETERNAL CEASELESS MOTION is not subject to "sleep," or
"unconsciousness."

In the SECRET DOCTRINE, Vol. 1, p. 27 (Sloka 8) we find it symbolized as
"the open EYE of the DANGMA (wise sages)."

IT EVER IS -- as a logical aspect of the ABSOLUTENESS.

We might call it the "CAUSELESS CAUSE."

It is the ETERNAL UNIVERSAL MIND, and is independent of any form or
substance. This is because all forms or substances on any "plane," from
"SPIRIT" down to "MATTER," are of necessity limited, and, are a "time
and space" portion of DURATION and META-SPACE, (which are indivisible
and eternal). It is also a logical aspect of the ABSOLUTE .

But, the ABSOLUTE, as ITSELF, is illimitable, timeless, indivisible, and
always WHOLE whether its parts or aspects are in or out of
manifestation.

It is the ROOTLESS ROOT. And it is the ENDLESS END. 

All our similes pale and are diminished, since there is no way in which
we can make finite comparisons of the INFINITE, the TIMELESS, and the
INDIVISIBLE. Brahman and Atman are still only aspects of Manifested
Time and Space, or MANVANTARA.

Parabrahm, Paramatman, Pradhana, Paramapadha, Pamapadatmava, Paramartha,
Paramarthika, Paramarthasatya, Parampurusha, SAT-CHIT-ANANDA. Chit,
Chidakasam, are all expressions in metaphysical philosophy of the
transcendent -- that which is boundless in thought, time, motion and
space. Words cannot define IT. THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSARY p 249

That is as I see and understand it.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Etzion 
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 7:15 PM
To: 
Subject: Re: Does Brahman or Atman have any karma?

If Pralaya means un-movement, when *God* goes to sleep, so to speak,
Where is karma here? Etzion

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