Theos-Talk Archives (February 2004 Message tt00027)

Feb 7 2004

Dear Munise

You ask: " Can anyone reference a study that emphasizes the relation
between a 'playing mind' and dreaming so to say unconsciousness?"


Some of the statements THEOSOPHY makes on dreams may help:

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D R E A M S

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Dreams Defined 1 - Dictionary


The Dictionary classifies dreams (or imaginary visions, or a reality
suggestive of a vision - a conception of possibility), as:

1. occurring during sleep - thoughts, images, emotions, seeming
realities;

2. occurring while awake as : 	
1.	Visions -- state of mind , while awake, lost in
imagining
2.	Reverie -- day-dreaming


Sleeping


"...it is said, the infant lives because the combination of healthy
organs is able to absorb the life all around it in space, and is put to
sleep each day by the overpowering strength of the stream of life, since
the `preservers' among the cells of the youthful body are not yet
mastered by the other class [`destroyers'].

These processes of going to sleep and waking up again are simply and
solely the restoring of the equilibrium in sleep and the action produced
by disturbing it when awake...in sleep we are again absorbing and not
resisting the Life Energy; when we wake we are throwing it off. But as
it exists around us as an ocean in which we swim, our power to resist it
is necessarily limited. Just when we wake we are in equilibrium as to
our organs and life; when we fall asleep we are yet more full of life
than in the morning; it has exhausted us; it finally kills the body.
Such a contest could not be waged forever, since the whole solar
system's weight of life is pitted against the power to resist focussed
in one small human frame."	Ocean p. 36	[ see also WQJ
Art. II 563, I 294 ]



"[ on going to sleep -- Answer by HPB ] It is said by Occultism to be
the periodical and regulated exhaustion of the nervous centres, and
especially of the sensory ganglia of the brain, which refuse to act any
longer on this plane, and, if they would not become unfit for work, are
compelled to recuperate their strength on another plane or Upadhi.
[vehicle] First comes the Swapna, or dreaming state, and this leads to
that of Sushupti. Now it must be remembered that our senses are all
dual, and act according to the plane of consciousness on which the
thinking entity energizes. Physical sleep affords the greatest facility
for its action on the various planes; at the same time it is a
necessity, in order that the various senses may recuperate and obtain a
new lease on life for the Jagrata, or waking state, from the Swapna and
Sushupti. According to Raja Yoga Turiya is the highest state. As a man
exhausted by one state of the life fluid seeks another; as, for
example, when exhausted by the hot air he refreshes himself with cool
water; so sleep is the shady nook in the sunlit valley of life.

"Sleep is a sign that waking life has become too strong for the physical
organism, and that the force of the life current must be broken by
changing the waking for the sleeping state.  

[ follows a description of the clairvoyant view of the atmosphere around
a person tired and one refreshed by sleep :

"...the person begins to be too strongly saturated with Life; the life
essence is too strong for his physical organs, and he must seek relief
in the shadowy side of that essence, which side is the dream element, or
physical sleep, on of the states of consciousness."	--HPB
Transactions p. 70-1
[ see also septenary nature of our senses: SD I 534 ]
	


Swapna -- Psychic -- Dreams


"In the dream state we lose all knowledge of the objects which while
awake we thought real and proceed to suffer and enjoy in that new state.
[ see SD I 47 ] In this we find the consciousness applying itself to
objects partaking of course of the nature of experiences of the waking
condition, but at the same time producing the sensations of pleasure and
pain while they last. [ see SD I 56 ] Let us imagine a person's body
plunged in a lethargy extending over twenty years and the mind
undergoing a pleasant or unpleasant dream, and we have a life just of
that sort, altogether different from the life of one awake. For the
consciousness of this dreamer the reality of objects known during the
waking state is destroyed. But as material existence is a necessary
evil and the one is which alone emancipation or salvation can be
obtained, it is of the greatest importance and hence Karma which governs
it...must be well understood and then be accepted and obeyed."
Echoes. pp. 41-42


"Dreams are sometimes the result of brain action automatically
proceeding, and are also produced by the transmission into the brain by
the real inner person of those senses or ideas high or low which the
real person has seen while the body slept. They are then strained into
the brain as if floating on the soul as it sinks into the body. These
dreams may be of great use, but generally the resumption of bodily
activity destroys the meaning, perverts the image, and reduces all to
confusion. 

But the great fact of all dreaming is that some one perceives and feels
therein and this is one of the arguments for the inner person's
existence.

In sleep the inner man communes with higher intelligences, and sometimes
succeeds in impressing the brain with what is gained, either a high idea
or a prophetic vision, or else fails in consequence of the resistance of
the brain fiber. The karma of the person also determines the meaning of
a dream, for a kind may dream that which relates to his kingdom, which
the same thing dreamed by a citizen relates to nothing of temporal
consequence. But, as said by Job: "In dreams and visions of the night
man is instructed."	Ocean, p. 143-4


"When one says "I dreamed," he is in the waking state and is surrounded
by the external conditions that go to make up that state of
consciousness; he is therefore comparing the state in which he finds
himself with another state whose surroundings are not then present or
evident...in the dreaming state, all that made up his waking state is
absent from his perceptions and he is surrounded by a world of his own
creation, which for the time being is objective and real to him; his
perceptions are "awake" to the dream and immersed in it, so he has
nothing before him to compare the states of waking and dreaming with.
Should he be able to make comparisons , the dream state would cease and
he would be awake."	Answers to Questions, p. 94-5



Sushupti -- Deep sleep -- "Dreams"


"Dreamless sleep is one of the seven states of consciousness known in
Oriental esotericism. In each of these states a different portion of
the mind comes into action; or as a Vedantin would express it, the
individual is conscious in a different plane of his being. The term
"dreamless sleep," in this case is applied allegorically to the Universe
to express a condition somewhat analogous to that state of consciousness
in man, which, not being remembered is a waking state, seems a blank,
just as the sleep of the mesmerized subject seems to him an unconscious
blank when he returns to his normal condition, although he has been
talking and acting as a conscious individual would."	SD I 47


"...dreamless sleep--one that leaves no impression on the physical
memory and brain, because the sleeper's Higher Self is in its original
state of absolute unconsciousness during those hours...re-absorption is
by no means such a "dreamless sleep," but, on the contrary, absolute
existence, an unconditioned unity, or a state, to describe which human
language is absolutely hopelessly inadequate...it can be attempted
solely in the panoramic visions of the soul, through spiritual ideations
of the divine monad."	[ see also SD I 429 top ]	
SD I 266


"Buddhi the Spiritual soul...because it is the direct cause of Sushupti
[deep sleep]...leading to Turiya...the highest state of Samadhi [
Meditation ]...Buddhi becomes a "causal body" in conjunction with Manas
the incarnation of the Entity or Ego..." Glossary, p. 74


"There are many kinds of "dreams"...the highest of them being
recollections of the activity and real awakens of the Inner Man, but
these are not ordinarily translatable into terms of bodily
consciousness." Ans. to Quest. p. 95


"As a rule, all that we experience of a dream from the inner man is a
feeling, for the dream being strained through the brain is all broken
and confused. A dream that makes a profound impression...cannot be a
mere surface dream."
Ans. to Quest. 220


"In every night he enters that spiritual state, his own true nature.
Connection between the Lower and the Higher Manas must be made during
life in a body; it cannot be made at any other time."	Ans to Quest.
175


"Good resolutions are mind-painted pictures of good deeds, fancies,
day-dreams, whisperings of the Buddhi to the Manas..."
Letters from the Masters of Wisdom (I) p 60-1
 

"TURIYA (Sk.) A state of the deepest trance--the 4th state of the
Taraka Raja Yoga, on the corresponds with Atma, and on this earth within
dreamless sleep--a causal condition...almost a Nirvanic state if
Samadhi, which is itself a beatific state of the contemplative Yoga
beyond this plane. A condition of the higher Triad, quite distinct
(though still inseparable) from the conditions of Jagrat (waking),
Swapna (dreaming), and Sushupti [dreamless] (sleeping)" 
Glos. 345-6



Sleep & Dreams general
		

"In our dreams," says Paracelsus, "we are like the plants which have
also the elementary and vital body, but possess not the spirit. In our
sleep the astral body is free and can, by the elasticity of its nature,
either hover round in proximity with its sleeping vehicle, or soar
higher to hold converse with its starry parents, or even communicate
with its brothers at great distances. Dreams of a prophetic character,
prescience, and present wants are the faculties of the astral spirit.
To our elementary and grosser body, these gifts re not imparted, for at
death it descends into the bosom of the earth and is reunited to the
physical elements while the several spirits return to the stars..."
Isis I 170


	
Some General Principles

"...spiritual discernment, by means of which the Supreme Spirit can be
discerned in all things...To attain it, the heart--that is, every part
of the nature--must be fixed on the Spirit, meditation has to be
constant, and the Spirit made the refuge or abiding-place...No
particular theosophical classification for the divisions of nature has
been given out."inferior nature" [ to Krishna ] is only so, relatively.
It is the phenomenal and transient which disappears into the superior at
the end of a kalpa.  

It is that part of God, or of the Self, which chose to assume the
phenomenal and transient position, but is, in essence, as great as the
superior nature. The inferiority is only relative; as soon as
objective material, and subjective spiritual, worlds appear, the
first-named has to be denominated inferior to the other, because the
spiritual being the permanent base, it is in that sense superior; but
in an absolute whole all is equal.


[ Note: One could say that Manvantara -- manifestation is characterized
by the Sanskrit term Kamadeva -- that deity the represents in time and
space the reign of those forces peculiar to all beings which reflect the
desire-kama, and the passionate aspect of each. Those being which are
self-conscious have in this time the opportunity of seeing their own
kamic nature as an aspect of the Universal, Eternal Man, of themselves.
To perceive this desire-nature implies the fat that the Real man is
separate from the mass of his desires, can know them in detail, and can
modify or adjust them. [see Light on the Path, Essay on Karma ]


"Every atom is endowed with and moved by intelligence, and is conscious
in its own degree, on its own plane of development. This is a glimpse
of the One Life...selfishness is the curse of selfishness..."	WQJ ART
I 29


"...Time...[is] the panoramic succession of our states of consciousness"
S D I 44


"The "Absolute Consciousness,"..."behind" phenomena...is only termed
unconsciousness in the absence of any element of
personality...transcends human conception...Only the liberated Spirit is
able to faintly realize the nature of the source whence it sprung and
whither it must eventually return...we can but bow in ignorance before
the awful mystery of Absolute Being...the Finite cannot conceive the
Infinite..."	S D I 51


"Every man has a god within, a direct ray from the Absolute, the
celestial ray from the One..."	TRANS 53


"Free-will can only exist in a man who has both mind and consciousness,
which act and make him perceive things both within and without himself."

"Consciousness is a condition of the monad as a result of embodiment in
matter and the dwelling in a physical form."	WQJ ART I 29


"Esoteric philosophy teaches that everything lives and is conscious, but
not that all life and consciousness are similar to those of human or
even animal beings. Life we look on as the "the one form of existence,"
manifesting in what is called matter; or, as in man, what, incorrectly
separating them we name Spirit, Soul and Matter. Matter is the vehicle
for the manifestation or soul on this plane of existence, and soul is
the vehicle on a higher plane for the manifestation of spirit, and those
three are a trinity synthesized by Life, which pervades them all."
SD I 49


Perceiver [ The REAL I ]


"To the perceiver on any plane, perceptions are objective to him; on a
higher plane than this, would they not be his "physics," although
metaphysical to us ? From our plane, that which is metaphysical becomes
physical when embodied. " FRIENDLY PHILOS. p. 78


"Every one of us is a Perceiver, just as much a Perceiver as we ever
were or ever will be. So is every atom of our body the perceiver. But
we look directly upon ideas; the lives below man look directly upon
sensation. We say waking, dreaming, sleeping, because our attention has
not been directed to the state of nature beyond life or man ass
immortal. But there are other names for these states of consciousness.
Think of the mineral kingdom as a state of consciousness, and the forms
built in that state. Think of the animal kingdom as life in a given
state of consciousness with the appropriate forms built in them.

Now we--in the state called the Thinker, which is our natural state--are
not any the less the Perceiver, because we are also at the same time the
Thinker and the being which feels. But neither are we the Thinker pure
and simple, nor are we the creature that is the experiencer of effects
pure and simple--nor are we the Perceiver pure and simple. It is
impossible to dissociate the three. If a man were in the state called
the Perceiver, and if he were in that state pure and simple, all this
that is a mystery to us would be just as objective in the spiritual
sense as we here and now are objective to each other in the "sense use"
of the term." [J. G.] "QUESTIONS ANSWERED AT AN INFORMAL OCEAN
CLASS"  
T. MVT., Nov. 1952.



Mind

"Mind is a name given to the sum of the states of Consciousness grouped
under Thought, Will, and Feeling. During deep sleep, ideation ceases of
the physical plane, and memory is in abeyance; thus for the time-being
"Mind is not," because the organ through which the Ego manifests
ideation and memory on the material plane has temporarily ceased to
function. A noumenon can become a phenomenon on any plane of existence
only by manifesting on that plane through an appropriate basis or
vehicle...The Ah-hi (Dhyan-Chohans) are the collective hosts of
spiritual beings--the Angelic Hosts of Christianity...--who are the
vehicle for the manifestation of the divine or universal though and
will. They are the Intelligent Forces that give to and enact in Nature
her "laws," while themselves acting according to laws imposed upon them
in a similar manner by still higher Powers...This hierarchy of spiritual
Beings, through which the Universal Mind comes into action, is like an
army--a "Host,"	SD I 38  	


"Every living creature, of whatever description, was, is, or will become
a human being in one or another Manvantara." HPB-- Trans. 23


"..."Mind" is manas, or rather its lower reflection, which whenever it
disconnects itself, for the time being, with kama, becomes the guide of
the highest mental faculties, and is the organ of the free-will in
physical man...." 
HPB Art., Vol. II, p. 13


"The matter-moving Nous, the animating Soul, immanent in every atom,
manifested in man, latent in the stone, has different degrees of power;
and this pantheistic idea of a general spirit-Soul pervading all Nature
is the oldest of all the philosophical notions."	S D I
51	


There is a dual element in the mind of man. HPB wrote on this as
follows:

"this means that he would have to admit a lower (animal), and a higher
(or divine) mind in man, of what is known in Occultism as the "personal"
and the "impersonal" Egos. For, between the psychic and the noetic,
between the personality and the individuality there exists the same
abyss as between a "Jack the Ripper," and a holy Buddha...These two we
distinguish as the Higher Manas (Mind or Ego) and the Kama-Manas, i.e.,
the rational, but earthy or physical intellect of man, encased in, and
bound by. matter, therefore subject to the influence of the latter: the
all-conscious Self, that which reincarnates periodically--verily the
Word made flesh--and which is always the same, while its reflected
"Double," changing with every new incarnation and personality, is,
therefore, conscious but for a life-period. The latter "principle," is
the Lower Self, or that which manifesting through our organic system,
acting on this plane of illusion, imagines itself the Ego Sum, and thus
falls into what Buddhist philosophy brands as the "heresy of
separateness." The former, we term Individuality, the latter
Personality." HPB	"Psychic and Noetic Action" HPB Articles II
pp , 9-10, 20-1


"...Buddhi and Atma...These higher principles are entirely inactive on
our plane, and the higher Ego (Manas) itself is more or less dormant
during the waking of the physical man....So dormant are the Spiritual
faculties, because the Ego is so trammeled by matter, that It can hardly
give all its attention to man's actions, even should the latter commit
sins for which that Ego--when reunited with its lower Manas--will have
to suffer conjointly in the future. It is...the impressions projected
into the physical man by this Ego which constitute what we call
"conscience;" and in proportion as the personality, the lower Soul (or
Manas), unites itself to its higher consciousness, or EGO, does the
action of the latter upon the life of mortal man become more marked."
TRANS 62-3


"...it is the higher Manas illuminated by Buddhi; the principle of
self-consciousness, the "I-am-I"...It is the Karana-Sarira, the immortal
man, which passes from one incarnation to another."
TRANS 63


"There is a sort of conscious telegraphic communication going on
incessantly, day and night, between the physical brain and the inner
man...the consciousness of the sleeper is not active but passive. The
inner man, however, the real Ego, acts independently during the sleep of
the body...Read "Karmic Visions" [ HPB ART I, 382 ]...and note the
description of the real Ego, sitting as a spectator of the life of the
hero..."	TRANS 64-5	



Illusion or Maya


"Maya or illusion is an element which enters into all finite things, for
everything that exists has only a relative, not an absolute, reality,
since the appearance which the hidden noumenon assumes for any observer
depends upon his power of cognition...Nothing is permanent except the
one hidden absolute existence which contains in itself the noumena of
all realities. The existence belonging to every plane of being up to
the highest Dhyan Chohans, are, in degree, of the nature of
shadows...but all things are relatively real, for the cognizer is also a
reflection, and the things cognized are therefore as real to him as
himself. What ever reality things possess must be looked for it them
before or after they have passed like a flash through the material
world; but we cannot cognize any such existence directly, so long as we
have sense instruments which bring only material existence into the
field of our consciousness. Whatever plane our consciousness may be
acting in, both we and the things belonging to that plane are, for the
time being, our only realities. As we rise in the scale of development
we perceive that during the stages through which we have passed we
mistook shadows for realities, and the upward march of the Ego is a
series of progressive awakenings, each advance bringing with it the idea
that now, at last, we have reached "reality;" but only when we shall
have reached the absolute Consciousness, and blended our own with it,
shall we be free from the delusions produced by Maya."	SD I 39-40



The Brain


"...the plastic power of the imagination is much stronger in some
persons than in others. The mind is dual in its potentiality; It is
physical and metaphysical. The higher part of the mind is connected
with the spiritual soul or Buddhi, the lower with the animal soul, the
Kama principle. There are persons who never think with the higher
faculties of their mind at all; those who do so are the minority and
are thus, in a way, beyond, if not above, the average of human kind.
The idiosyncrasy of the person determines in which "principle" of the
mind the thinking is done, as also the faculties of a preceding life,
and sometimes the heredity of the physical. This is why it is so very
difficult for a materialist--the metaphysical portion of whose brain is
almost atrophied--to raise himself, or for one who is naturally
spiritually minded, to descend to the level of the matter-of-fact vulgar
thought...[ Thinking to be developed in the higher mind ? ]...Certainly
it can be developed, but only with great difficulty, a firm
determination, and through much self-sacrifice...This difference depends
simply on the innate power of the mind to think on the higher or on the
lower plane, with the astral...or with the physical brain. Great
intellectual powers are often no proof of, but are the impediments to
spiritual and right conceptions...The person who is endowed with this
faculty of thinking about even the most trifling things from the higher
plane of thought has, by virtue of that gift which he possesses, a
plastic power of formation, so to say, in his very imagination...his
thought will be so far more intense that the thought of an ordinary
person, that by his very intensity it obtains the power of
creation...thought is an energy. This energy in its action disturbs the
atoms of the astral atmosphere around us...the rays of thought have the
same potentiality for producing forms in the astral atmosphere as the
sun rays have with regard to a lens. Every thought so evolved with
energy from the brain, creates nolens volens a shape."	HPB-- Dialogues
--
HPB Art. II 42-3


"...the human brain is simply the canal between two planes--the
psycho-spiritual and the material--through which every abstract and
metaphysical idea filters from the Manasic down to the lower human
consciousness. Therefore the ideas about the infinite and the absolute
are not, nor can they be, within our brain capacities. They can be
faithfully mirrored only by our Spiritual consciousness, thence to be
more of less faintly projected on to the tables of our perceptions on
this plane. Thus while the records of even important events are often
obliterated from our memory, not the most trifling action of our lives
can disappear from the "Soul's" memory, because it is no memory for it,
but an ever-present reality on the plane which lies outside our
conceptions of space and time. "Man is the measure of all things," said
Aristotle; and surely he did not mean by man, the form of flesh, bones
and muscles ? ... As our world is mostly formed of imperceptible beings
which are the real constructors of its continents, so likewise is man."
HPB--Memory in the Dying --	HPB Art. II 378-9


"This is precisely what occult philosophy claims; our Ego is a ray of
the Universal Mind, individualized for the space of a cosmic life-cycle,
during which space of time it gets experience in almost numberless
reincarnations or rebirths, after which it returns to its Parent-Source.

The Occultist would call the "Higher Ego" the immortal Entity, whose
shadow and reflection is the human Manas, the mind limited by its
physical senses...In the course of natural evolution our "brain-mind"
will be replaced by a finer organism, and helped by the 6th and the 7th
senses. Even now, there are pioneer minds who have developed these
senses."		
			

	
Memory


"Our "memory" is but a general agent, and its "tablets," with their
indelible impressions, but a figure of speech; the "brain-tablets"
serve only as a upadhi or a vahan (basis or vehicle) for reflecting at a
given moment the memory of one or another thing. The records of past
events, of every minutest action, and of passing thoughts, in fact, are
realty impressed on the imperishable waves of the Astral Light, around
us and everywhere, not in the brain alone; and these mental pictures,
images, and sounds, pass from these waves via the consciousness of the
personal Ego or Mind (the lower Manas) whose grosser essence is astral,
into the "cerebral reflectors," so to say, of our brain, whence they are
delivered by the psychic to the sensuous consciousness. This at every
moment of the day, and even during sleep."	Theos. Art. & Notes, p.
209


"...Genius--an abnormal aptitude of mind--that develops and grows, or
the physical brain, is vehicle, which becomes...fitter to receive and
manifest from within outwardly the innate and divine nature of man's
over-soul."
HPB-- "Genius"	-- HPB Art. II 119


INTUITION


"...a projection of our perceptive consciousness, a projection which
acts from the subjective to the objective...awakens in us spiritual
senses and the power to act; these senses assimilate to themselves the
essence of the object or of the action under examination, and represent
it to us as it really is, not as it appears to our physical senses and
to our cold reason...omniscience."
HPB Articles I 428


"...the "Ego" in man is a monad that has gathered to itself innumerable
experiences through aeons of time, slowly unfolding its latent potencies
through plane after plane of matter. It is hence called the "eternal
pilgrim."

The Manasic, or mind principle, is cosmic and universal. It is the
creator of all forms, and the basis of all law in nature. Not so with
consciousness. Consciousness is a condition of the monad as a result of
embodiment in matter and the dwelling in a physical form.
Self-consciousness, which from the animal plane looking upward is the
beginning of perfection, from the divine plane looking downwards is the
perfection of selfishness and the curse of separateness. it is the
"world of illusion" that man has created for himself. "Maya is the
perceptive faculty of every Ego which considers itself a Unit, separate
from and independent of the One Infinite and Eternal Sat or 'be-ness',"
(SD I 329) The "eternal pilgrim" must therefore mount higher, and flee
from the plane of self-consciousness it has struggled so hard to reach."
WQJ ART I 29



"the one free force acts, helped in this by that portion of its essence
which we call imprisoned force, or material molecules. The worker
within, the inherent force, ever tends to unite with its parent essence
without; and thus, the Mother acting within, causes the Web to
contract; and the Father acting without, to expand. Science calls this
gravitation; Occultists, the work of the universal Life-Force, which
radiates from that Absolute and Unknowable FORCE which is outside of all
Space and Time. This is the work of eternal Evolution and involution,
or expansion and contraction. [ Web cooling ]...it begins when the
imprisoned force and intelligence inherent in every atom of
differentiated as well as of homogeneous matter arrives at a point when
both become the slaves of a higher intelligent Force whose mission is to
guide and shape it.

It is the Force which we call the divine Free-Will, represented by the
Dhyani-Buddhas. When the centrepetal and centrifugal forces of life and
being are subjected by the one nameless Force which brings order in
disorder, and establishes harmony in Chaos--then it begins
cooling...Every form, we are told, is built in accordance with the model
traced for it in the Eternity and reflected in the DIVINE MIND. There
are hierarchies of "Builders of form," and series of forms and degrees,
from the highest to the lowest. While the former are shaped under the
guidance of the "Builders," the gods, "Cosmocratores;" the latter are
fashioned by the Elementals or Nature Spirits."	Trans 128-9


"The universal force cannot be regarded as a conscious force as we
understand the word consciousness, because it would immediately become a
personal god. It is only that which is enclosed in a form, a limitation
of matter, which is conscious of itself on this plane. This Free Force
or Will, which is limitless and absolute, cannot be said to act
understandingly, but it is the one and sole immutable Law of Life and
Being. Fohat, therefore, is spoken of as the synthetic motor power of
all imprisoned life-forces and the medium between the absolute and
conditioned Force. It is a link, just as Manas is the connecting link
between the gross matter of the physical body and the divine Monad which
animates it, but is powerless to act upon the former directly."	Trans
134



	






Dallas


-----Original Message-----
From: Munise 
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 9:30 AM
To: Blavatsky_Study 
Subject: Relation between play and dream

Hello All,

Can anyone reference a study that emphsizes the relation between a
'playing 
mind' and dreaming so to say unconsciousness?