Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00198)

Hallo Dallas and all of you,

My views are:

Can we expect people, who are not aware of the below issues in your email,
to understand these theosophical views and even beliefs
or what you call parts of knowledge as if you had them in your own possesion
?

What do the average theosophist really know about reincarnation ?
Not much I am afraid !

How many theosophists are aware of and have a clear cut knowledge the
reality of 7 planes ?
How many of you have been on the highest level - the atmic ?
How many of the average theosophist has actually tried to die ?
Not many I am afraid !

So why should they - just simply believe what you almost as a priest present
to them in the below ?
Shouldn't they use their reason instead ?


Yes. I know.
It is easy to ask questions.
But, sometimes it is good to contemplate these questions. Also sometimes
before emailing.

(I have cut your - very very long email - so to be polite towards those with
a slow connection.)


from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dallas TenBroeck" <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-BN--Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:09 PM
Subject: Theos-World RE: Talking with the dead -


> Jan 14 2004
>
> Dear Friends:
>
> This may help,
>
> Dallas
>
> ==========================
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> STATES AFTER DEATH
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> SOUL IS IMMORTAL -- MIND
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> EVOLUTION THROUGH REINCARNATION
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> STATES AFTER DEATH AND RELEVANT PRINCIPLES

> SEVEN-FOLD CLASSIFICATION OF PRINCIPLES -- A BASIC
>
> Theosophy places the old doctrine before western civilization
>
> 1. 1. The Body, or Rupa.
> 2. 2. Vitality, or Prana-Jiva.
> 3. 3. Astral Body, or Linga-Sarira.
> 4. 4. Animal Soul, or Kama-Rupa
> 5. 5. Human Soul, or Manas.
> 6. 6. Spiritual Soul, or Buddhi.
> 7. 7. Spirit, or Atma, (This Principle synthesizes the
> other 6.)
>
>
>
> REAL MAN:
>
>
> LOWER VEHICLES:
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> DEATH MARKS THE SEPARATION OF THE LOWER VEHICLE
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> KAMA - DESIRE & PASSION ARE NOT MIND
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> A "GOOD" MAN
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> A "BAD" MAN
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> MIND -- THE 5th PRINCIPLE, AND ATMA-BUDDHI [THE MONAD]
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> THE LIGHTING UP OF MANAS
>
> Going back for a moment to the time when the races of mankind were
> devoid of mind, the question arises, "Who gave the MIND, Where did it
> come from, and What is it ?"
>
> It is the link between ATMA, the "Spirit of God above" and the
> "personality" below. It was given to the mindless monads by others who
> had gone through this process ages upon ages before in earlier worlds
> and systems of worlds, and it came from other evolutionary periods which
> were completed long before our solar system had begun. The manner in
> which this light of mind was given to the Mindless Men can be understood
> from the illustration of one candle lighting many. The Sons of Wisdom,
> who are the Elder Brothers of every family of men on any Globe, have the
> light, derived by them from others who reach back, and yet farther back,
> in endless procession with no beginning or end. They set fire to the
> combined lower principles and the Monad, thus lighting up Manas in the
> "new men" and preparing another great race for final initiation.
>
>
> MANAS [MIND] REINCARNATES
>
>
> LOWER MANS -- BRAIN-MIND
>
MEMORY AS A DEATH VISION
>
> Memory of a prior life is not needed to prove that we passed through
> that existence, nor is the fact of not remembering a good objection. We
> forget the greater part of the occurrences of the years and days of this
> life, but no one would say for that reason we did not go through these
> years. We are all subject to the limitations imposed upon the Ego by
> the new brain in each life. This is why we are not able to keep the
> pictures of the past. The brain is the instrument for the memory of the
> soul, and, being new in each life, has only a certain capacity. That
> capacity will be fully availed of just according to the Ego's own desire
> and prior conduct, because past living will have increased or diminished
> its power.
>
> By living according to the dictates of the Soul, the brain may at least
> be made porous to the Soul's recollections; as the brain-matter had no
> part in the life last lived, it is in general unable to remember. And
> this is a wise law, for we should be very miserable if the deeds of our
> former lives were not hidden from our view until by discipline we become
> able to bear a knowledge of them.
>
>
>
> HIGHER MANAS -- INTUITION, GENIUS.
>
> THE "GOD" IN MAN = ATMA - BUDDHI - MANAS
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> INDIVIDUALITY IS PERMANENT -- IMMORTAL
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>
> MATTER -- ALSO PERMANENT -- HAS BEEN THROUGH ALL FORMS
>
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> PERFECTION FOR ALL ASPECTS OF MAN
>
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> MEMORY AS A DEATH VISION
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> UNIVERSAL LAWS AND REINCARNATION
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> AFTER DEATH STATES - CHRONOLOGY
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> DESIRES -- HAVE THEIR OWN PLACE
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> DEVACHAN
>
> Struggling out of the body Atma-Buddhi-Manas, begins to think in a
> manner different from that which the body and brain permitted in life.
> This is the state of Devachan, Sanskrit : "the place of the gods." The
> Self in Devachan is devoid of a mortal body. The stay in Devachan is
> proportionate to the merit earned by the being in its last life [from a
> few year to as much as 100 centuries -- the average being about 1500
> years] and when the mental forces peculiar to the state are exhausted,
> "the being is drawn down again to be reborn in the world of mortals."
>
> Devachan is therefore an interlude between births in the world. The law
> of karma which forces us all to enter the world, being ceaseless in its
> operation and also universal in scope, acts also on the being in
> devachan, for only by the force or operation of Karma are we taken out
> of devachan.
>
> The last series of powerful and deeply imprinted thoughts are those
> which give color and trend to the whole life in devachan. The last
> moment will color each subsequent moment. On those the soul and mind fix
> themselves and weave of them a whole set of events and experiences,
> expanding them to their highest limit, carrying out all that was not
> possible in life.
>
>
> WHY DEVACHAN ?
>
> The necessity for this state after death is one of the necessities of
> evolution growing out of the nature of Mind and Soul. The very nature of
> manas requires a devachanic state as soon as the body is lost, and it is
> simply the effect of loosening the bonds placed upon the mind by its
> physical and astral encasement. In life we can but to a fractional
> extent act out the thoughts we have each moment; and still less can we
> exhaust the psychic energies engendered by each day's aspirations and
> dreams. The energy thus engendered is not lost or annihilated, but is
> stored in Manas, but the body, brain, and astral body permit no full
> development of the force. Hence, held latent until death, it bursts then
> from the weakened bonds and plunges Manas, the thinker, into the
> expansion, use, and development of the thought-force set up in life.
>
>
> (extracts from The OCEAN OF THEOSOPHY (Judge)
>
> ===========================
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morten
> Subject: Talking with the dead - the Scole experiment in England
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