Theos-Talk Archives (January 2004 Message tt00151)

Hallo Bill and all of you,

My view are:

Bill wrote: "It is better to be silent than to cast implications on
> another's compassion."

Is it Bill ?
So why do - you - email ?

I would say:
Silence are good to some customers.
Not to others.

I ask politely: Bill and Bart are perhaps the silent types - the peacemakers
?

There is also a psychological game called "The Fridge", where one freezes an
individual within a group.
Do you want to know, what I think about that one. Well, I think it is bad
and no good and not compassionate
under the circumstance I talk about.

What is it to be what you call
"compassionately silent" ?
And when is it compassionate to be so ?
This is what we are concerned with.
And only your conscience will tell you the answer.

My conscience didn't agree upon the use of words Bart had.
And that was that.
Your conscience - as cold as I view it to be - recommend silence - "The
Fridge" game ? True ?

As long as I don't see any constructive views being presented on why Bart's
use of the remarks and his use of the word "Bullshit" should be
part of the ordinary and common vocabulary at this place - I think my
recently presented views carry solid ground as far as theosophy, compassion,
emailing, communication, and being part of this forum are concerned.

I you use Negative words and negative ideas they will have a way of
spreading.
I you use Positive and good words - and positive and good ideas they will
have a way of spreading.
I you use Compassionate words they will have a way of spreading the more you
use them.


Martin Luther King Jr. said:
"I think the first reason that we should love our enemies, and I think this
is at the very center of Jesus' thinking, is this: that hate for hate only
intensifies the existence of hate and evil in the universe. If I hit you and
you hit me and I hit you back and you hit me back and go on, you see, that
goes on ad infinitum. It just never ends. Somewhere somebody must have a
little sense, and that's the strong person. The strong person is the person
who can cut off the chain of hate, the chain of evil. And that is the
tragedy of hate, that it doesn't cut it off. It only intensifies the
existence of hate and evil in the universe. Somebody must have religion
enough and morality enough to cut it off, and inject within the very
structure of the universe that strong and powerful element of love."

Excerpted from "Loving Your Enemies", a sermon delivered on 17 November 1957
at Dexter Avenue Baptist Church in Montgomery, Ala. (full text)



Did this help ?
About "Loving Your Enemies" ?



from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Meredith" <bill_meredith@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: [bn-study] RE: good-bye to the BIG BANG theory


> Just to be fair. Bullshit and flapdoodle are essentially the same. Do you
> not disagree? Also by using the more vulgar term "bullshit" Bart gave
each
> of us an opportunity to accept his judgment in silence if we wanted to
> extend our compassion far enough and wide enough to include people who use
> words like "bullshit. If we had all chosen to remain compassionately
> silent, Bart's flapdoodle would have passed away.
>
> To your list of ways to compassionately conduct ones affairs on these
lists
> I would add: It is better to be silent than to cast implications on
> another's compassion.
>
> Follow your own advice.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Morten Nymann Olesen" <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: [bn-study] RE: good-bye to the BIG BANG
theory
>
>
> > Hallo Bart and all of you,
> >
> > My views are:
> >
> > A short version. Compassion is an unselfish and spiritual feeling which
> comes forth from the non-physical heart center and grows up
> > and through the head of the disciple who has pleged to do God's will.
> Spiritual thoughts comes from the heart of compassion.
> > On another level it is a similar spiritual feeling, but a feeling of
> oneness which acts
> > or lives on - a so to speak - 'very beyond' level.
> > But also: What is truely compassionate is maybe what we would call
> silence.
> > Compassion is silent and cannot easily be absorbed by the more ordinary
> senses.
> >
> >
> > I suggest the following:
> > Talk with sweet and soft voice also while emailing at a forum.
> > Never fall so low as to 'scream' at another person while emailing at a
> forum.
> > Never use tough words, which might lower the general atmosphere among
the
> forums readers - that is if you email at a forum.
> > At least seek to avoid doing so.
> > Always seek to help, never hurt. If you can't help then at least avoid
> hurting. Or be silent.
> > Misunderstandings can happen especially at a place like this where many
> people from various cultures and countries meet - and we all know that.
> > Misunderstandings we can relate to and work with.
> >
> >
> > The following might helpful to add.
> > Blavatsky writes the following in the book called "The Key to Theosophy"
> chapter 12:
> > "It is this very law of Karma which gives strength to all that I have
> said. The individual cannot separate himself from the race, nor the race
> from the individual. The law of Karma applies equally to all, although all
> are not equally developed. In helping on the development of others, the
> Theosophist believes that he is not only helping them to fulfil their
Karma,
> but that he is also, in the strictest sense, fulfilling his own. It is the
> development of humanity, of which both he and they are integral parts,
that
> he has always in view, and he knows that any failure on his part to
respond
> to the highest within him retards not only himself but all, in their
> progressive march. By his actions, he can make it either more difficult or
> more easy for humanity to attain the next higher plane of being." (This
is
> to those whom the Law of Karma as importance.)
> >
> > To those whom the Law of Karma has no importance I suggest this:
> > The individual cannot separate himself from the society, nor the society
> from the individual. The moral laws of this universe applies equally to
all,
> although all are not equally developed. In helping on the development of
> others, the Theosophist believes that he is not only helping them to
fulfil
> their spiritual development, but that he is also, in the strictest sense,
> fulfilling his own. It is the development of humanity, of which both he
and
> they are integral parts, that he has always in view, and he knows that any
> failure on his part to respond to the highest within him retards not only
> himself but all, in their progressive march. By his actions, he can make
it
> either more difficult or more easy for humanity to attain the next higher
> plane of being.
> >
> > (To Bart: I just fail to see where your sentences with the word
"Bullshit"
> on the top can make it all easier to the readers.)
> >
> > But I also think never-the-less that the following deserves attention:
> > A spiritual group - It will deal with everyone according to capacity and
> character,
> > being neither benevolent nor the reverse: for kindness and cruelty,
> > while effective and understood in ordinary relationships, operate as
> > part of a conditioning system within a teaching or group situation.
> >
> > --- To put it shortly. What was important was the following: Netemara
said
> about Blavatsky's relation to Bailey could be the truth. But it could also
> be a lie. Can we ever really proove this at this forum ? But we could
throw
> some views around so to get closer to reality. But maybe "Bullshit" is
> closer to reality to you ? - I just ask. ---
> >
> >
> > These were just my views.
> > Did this help ?
> > Di this help the readers ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bart Lidofsky" <bartl@sprynet.com>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:28 PM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: [bn-study] RE: good-bye to the BIG BANG
> theory
> >
> >
> > > Morten Nymann Olesen wrote:
> > > > That doesn't make your inkvisition like use of words compassionate,
> does it
> > > > ?
> > >
> > > What would be compassionate?
> > >
> > > Bart
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > theos-talk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > theos-talk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> theos-talk-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>